witness
3rd Level
"We're quite a pair, aren't we?"
Posts: 857
|
Post by witness on Feb 7, 2010 1:47:47 GMT -5
3. We’re offered an interesting glimpse of Maddie and David’s respective moral compasses here: a. In light of his religious beliefs, does David’s willingness to help Mr. Everett surprise you? David accepts any client and follows a strict "Judge not lest you be judged" guideline. Everett's plea strikes a chord within David, who wants this strong, fighting spirit set free from its afflicted body. In the end, though, something calls out to him: his conscience, being rebuffed by Maddie, perhaps a combination, making him aware that in theory, assisting this man was a good idea; in practice, it was too unsettling, to say the least. b. How about Maddie’s point of view? Does this seem to accord with what we already know about her? Maddie may not believe in God, but she certainly lives by a strict moral code. She equates euthanasia with murder. The fact that Everett is only alive via the "miracle" of modern science, is of no consequence. So while she has sympathy for the poor little man who's clearly given up hope, she also must consider how their involvement in his request will affect the agency. 4. How do you think David’s “confession” in that first bedroom scene affects their relationship? Maddie has never seen David like this before, so visibly shaken and traumatized by the evening's turn of events. I think their relationship is irrevocably changed from this moment. David can be certain that putting his trust in Maddie was the right decision. And because David offered to find out the truth about her father, Maddie knows once and for all that his concern and care for her are genuine. She feels the need to return the favor and be his support system. They have truly become one another's safety net. May I just say that I am in awe every time I watch this scene. The first time I watched the episode and saw Bruce pull out all the stops, the raw emotion, I thought, "There it is. A star is born." (Well, he was already a star by then, but ya know what I mean). It just makes me wonder if Cybill knew Bruce had all that within him when she handpicked him for the role.
|
|
|
Post by beesnbears on Feb 7, 2010 9:53:26 GMT -5
jen, I re-rewatched some scenes last night and came up with a Q after all: During the discussion about Mr. Everett's predicament, Maddie says, "But that's not an option. That's decided for you." Given that she is an atheist, what do you think she means by this?" Good observation. Does Maddie ever actually say she is atheist? She alludes to the idea, but has said she has given some thought to the idea of a supreme being. I suppose in this case she is referring to fate? Can one can believe in a natural order of things without believing in God? Interesting that she refers to fate or things that are meant to be ("It's A Wonderful Job") or to happen on their own accord in cases where she is searching for answers and then when David throws the word kismet at her in "I Am Curious..." it makes her angry.
|
|
witness
3rd Level
"We're quite a pair, aren't we?"
Posts: 857
|
Post by witness on Feb 8, 2010 0:00:13 GMT -5
It may be too late in the game at this point, but I thought of another Q: Right at the end, what is revealed by each of their facial expressions?
|
|
witness
3rd Level
"We're quite a pair, aren't we?"
Posts: 857
|
Post by witness on Feb 8, 2010 0:48:05 GMT -5
5. The Garage: Feel free to analyze, scrutinize, fantasize…(bearing in mind that this is a family forum, people! ) The kiss had definite shock value and the "whoa" factor. What I have always appreciated the most, however, is their eye contact, close proximity, the tenderness and the intimacy of the scene. My absolute favorite part is when David pulls Maddie behind the pillar. She cries his name, and he gently draws her hand across his cheek: "That's me...in the flesh." It's similar to the scene in the office doorway from the previous episode, greatly intensified. What's interesting is that when David first reveals his plan to leave, Maddie becomes business-like, practically ordering him to stay so the mystery can be solved and his innocence proven. When she is unable to change his mind, it becomes personal again. As David once pointed out, "I'm your lifeline...." That's what they have become to one another.
|
|
witness
3rd Level
"We're quite a pair, aren't we?"
Posts: 857
|
Post by witness on Feb 8, 2010 1:05:03 GMT -5
5. The Garage: Feel free to analyze, scrutinize, fantasize…(bearing in mind that this is a family forum, people! ) WHY, after holding back tears, not wanting David to leave, pulling him into an embrace and letting the tears flow, does Maddie tell David he smells awful?! Maddie, Maddie, Maddie! He was being nice and sincere...just the way you always want him to be....sigh! That has always bugged me about as much as the epilogue! bees, I've always seen this as a very Moonlighting moment, where David and Maddie use language to divert emotion--similar to David's "photos" question in "Every Daughter's." She's overwhelmed, but doesn't want to admit it, so she says the first (nonemotional) thing that pops into her head. jen, that's exactly the analogy I was going to use, David's crack about taking pictures. When moments get too real or intense for them, they use sarcasm or insults to defuse the tension.
|
|
|
Post by rose35 on Feb 8, 2010 16:42:36 GMT -5
5. The Garage: Feel free to analyze, scrutinize, fantasize…(bearing in mind that this is a family forum, people! ) The kiss had definite shock value and the "whoa" factor. What I have always appreciated the most, however, is their eye contact, close proximity, the tenderness and the intimacy of the scene. My absolute favorite part is when David pulls Maddie behind the pillar. She cries his name, and he gently draws her hand across his cheek: "That's me...in the flesh." It's similar to the scene in the office doorway from the previous episode, greatly intensified. What's interesting is that when David first reveals his plan to leave, Maddie becomes business-like, practically ordering him to stay so the mystery can be solved and his innocence proven. When she is unable to change his mind, it becomes personal again. As David once pointed out, "I'm your lifeline...." That's what they have become to one another. Love this description of the kiss scene WITNESS! Great! --------------------------------------------------- I think this is probably on everyones top 10 list of fave episodes because its the episode everyone remembers as the one where M/D first(real) kissed. It was intense,it showed longing they have been having for one another obviously and finally it came to the surface but unfortunately since it was so early in the show still we couldnt have them run off to Maddies house to continue further LOL So our Duo backpedals because they are not ready for more ,YET so they say it didnt happen! UGH to us watching at home for sure LOL
|
|
|
Post by beesnbears on Feb 8, 2010 17:04:08 GMT -5
5. The Garage: Feel free to analyze, scrutinize, fantasize…(bearing in mind that this is a family forum, people! ) The kiss had definite shock value and the "whoa" factor. What I have always appreciated the most, however, is their eye contact, close proximity, the tenderness and the intimacy of the scene. My absolute favorite part is when David pulls Maddie behind the pillar. She cries his name, and he gently draws her hand across his cheek: "That's me...in the flesh." It's similar to the scene in the office doorway from the previous episode, greatly intensified. What's interesting is that when David first reveals his plan to leave, Maddie becomes business-like, practically ordering him to stay so the mystery can be solved and his innocence proven. When she is unable to change his mind, it becomes personal again. As David once pointed out, "I'm your lifeline...." That's what they have become to one another. You know, I've always thought that scene was all personal and no business. I guess it's just me twisting what Maddie's says: "You can't leave now. There are too many unanswered questions." Always made me say to the TV: "Boy you got that right!"
|
|
|
Post by beesnbears on Feb 8, 2010 17:09:15 GMT -5
It may be too late in the game at this point, but I thought of another Q: Right at the end, what is revealed by each of their facial expressions? Maddie's disappointment in David's backpedaling...and quite possibly her own. David's fear of crossing the line, yet wondering what the heck just happened! They kissed in the garage and she tackled him to her bedroom floor when he came back....what are all of these little crazy mixed up messages, Madelyn Hayes!!
|
|
witness
3rd Level
"We're quite a pair, aren't we?"
Posts: 857
|
Post by witness on Feb 9, 2010 1:17:11 GMT -5
The kiss had definite shock value and the "whoa" factor. What I have always appreciated the most, however, is their eye contact, close proximity, the tenderness and the intimacy of the scene. My absolute favorite part is when David pulls Maddie behind the pillar. She cries his name, and he gently draws her hand across his cheek: "That's me...in the flesh." It's similar to the scene in the office doorway from the previous episode, greatly intensified. What's interesting is that when David first reveals his plan to leave, Maddie becomes business-like, practically ordering him to stay so the mystery can be solved and his innocence proven. When she is unable to change his mind, it becomes personal again. As David once pointed out, "I'm your lifeline...." That's what they have become to one another. You know, I've always thought that scene was all personal and no business. I guess it's just me twisting what Maddie's says: "You can't leave now. There are too many unanswered questions." Always made me say to the TV: "Boy you got that right!" Ha...good point bees! And I guess what I meant to say was that at first, Maddie masks her fear of losing David with the "business" of answering those unanswered questions. When his leaving is definite, her emotions rise to the surface and take over.
|
|
witness
3rd Level
"We're quite a pair, aren't we?"
Posts: 857
|
Post by witness on Feb 9, 2010 1:30:51 GMT -5
7. The epilogue: Why (oh, God, WHY?!?) do they both backpedal? Does this resolution feel right to you? The resolution absolutely feels right, despite the aggravation factor. It's a definite "Stay Tuned" ploy by Glennie and the writers. And it was a perfect first step in that direction for our beloved characters. Boy how I love Maddie's Cheshire cat grin. She plays coy so well in this scene! It seems Dave thought if he brought it up first, that would make Maddie comfortable enough to address it and they could have one of their typical banter sessions. But as usual, Maddie doesn't want to let him know that he or anything between them is on her mind. So dear Dave is left to establish the meaning--or lack thereof?--behind the event on both their behalf. She definitely has a look of defeat and disappointment on her face, and from the look on his, he definitely picks up on it.
|
|
|
Post by diane on May 23, 2010 21:57:57 GMT -5
Just a reminder, folks.......let's keep fanfiction comments and discussions on their own thread in the "Member Talk" section.
The Rewatching threads are for the actual episodes.
Thanks.
|
|
|
Post by Hazel on Jul 22, 2010 21:33:33 GMT -5
What strikes me most about this episode is how very much Maddie wants to say something to David, but she cannot let herself. When the detective says "You can tell your partner to come in from the cold," and she replies, "I'd like to..." that says it all. Then that classified ad in the personal section (how apropos): "We love you (We love you, We love you) and miss you, Maddie (Maddie, Maddie)." Her feelings for him are right on the tip of her tongue, desperately trying to jump off, but she just can't release them. Given the opportunity, she will resort to sabotage to stop herself-- "You smell awful." But what her words don't say, her eyes are screaming. The way she looks at him in this episode tells you exactly what's in her heart. God bless Cybill for being the actress she is. Not many could pull this off.
|
|
|
Post by beesnbears on Jul 23, 2010 7:42:58 GMT -5
I agree Hazel. Wasn't Cybill wonderful?!
|
|
|
Post by suzyparker on Jul 23, 2010 12:45:38 GMT -5
I love this episode, and everyone makes such great points!
Hazel, I too love the scene where she's placing the personal ad in all the papers (in all caps!). So sweet.
|
|
|
Post by sandra on Nov 20, 2010 18:08:14 GMT -5
5. The Garage: Feel free to analyze, scrutinize, fantasize…(bearing in mind that this is a family forum, people! ) WHY, after holding back tears, not wanting David to leave, pulling him into an embrace and letting the tears flow, does Maddie tell David he smells awful?! Maddie, Maddie, Maddie! He was being nice and sincere...just the way you always want him to be....sigh! That has always bugged me about as much as the epilogue! bees, I've always seen this as a very Moonlighting moment, where David and Maddie use language to divert emotion--similar to David's "photos" question in "Every Daughter's." She's overwhelmed, but doesn't want to admit it, so she says the first (nonemotional) thing that pops into her head. I also equate it to the trunk scene in "Maddie's Turn..."--aah, the sweet sound of "I hate you"! ;D jpen, that's just what I felt. I mean, folks, she was openly crying! It was clear she was because she thought she'd never see him again. She didn't want to hurt him.
|
|