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Post by diane on Jun 29, 2010 15:36:59 GMT -5
TEST
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Post by beesnbears on Jun 29, 2010 16:12:32 GMT -5
You passed....yuk...yuk...
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Post by diane on Jun 29, 2010 18:16:44 GMT -5
No, I didn't......I actually wrote the wrong name for the episode......Yuk, yuk to me!!!!
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Post by diane on Jun 29, 2010 18:21:43 GMT -5
I am going to post early.......will be AWOL for a couple of hours, so rather early than late....
I have really been thinking about questions, and am a little stumped. Now, I could post the ones that usually come to my head when I watch this episode.....(Were the writers smoking crack?.... Does anybody REALLY like this episode?....), but I am trying to keep an open mind.
So my admission question is.......Convince me -- what do you like about this episode?
There are some script omissions that I will post later tonight.. It amazes me that there are omissions, given the fact that they had to add the bloopers to fill up the time...but I will post them. Most are pretty unmemorable...but I do think you are gonna like one!
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Post by lin212 on Jun 29, 2010 18:33:23 GMT -5
diane, I too am having a problem with questions for this one. It is difficult to analyze David and Maddie because they have been invaded by some alien characters. Nothing means anything anymore...the story of D and M is going nowhere, so what's the point? Other than the brief moment in the elevator, the emotion seems flat to me. Sorry I'm not my usual positive self, but give me a break - it's Season 5. Anyway, I noticed that this episode was written by Kerry Ehrin - Kerry Ehrin who wrote so many of our favorites - "Money Talks", "Portrait of Maddie", "The Man Who Cried Wife", "Blonde on Blonde", "To Heiress Human", "Father Knows Last" and "The Flesh Was Made Word". I know that we often blame the random Season 5 writers for the the horror of Season 5, so are you surprised that Kerry penned this one? Do you think that someone was pulling her strings and/or editing her work? By the way, it was her last.
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Post by graycav56 on Jun 29, 2010 18:49:43 GMT -5
OK, so I do have a question, or at least a discussion starter.
It has to do with David's disappearing act from Blue Moon for those two weeks and links to his rage in the elevator.
Was David's two week hiatus his way of decompressing after the last 6-7 months of emotional torture? It seemed completely different than his supportive stance at the end of the previous episode.
Was his attack at the speaker an attempt to shield Maddie...or was it to shield HIM from further angst. Recall this is the SECOND baby he lost...even if Maddie tells him that it wasn't his.
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Post by graycav56 on Jun 29, 2010 18:53:16 GMT -5
So my admission question is.......Convince me -- what do you like about this episode? Err, Cybill looked pretty. I think the elevator scene was decent, up to the end and the inane singing. I mean, Maddie, as we all know, is not a very religious person, and seeing her belting out spirituals is a bit out of character.
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Post by beesnbears on Jun 29, 2010 19:12:01 GMT -5
My admission question for tonight:
How can two people that have shared so much together have nothing to say when trapped in an elevator?
Even though this one bugs the crap out of me, I do like it. Up until the elevator doors open and they sing, that is. After that it's just plain old YUK!!
Why do I like it? Because Maddie and David have one of their most intriguing conversations in the car. David obviously knows Maddie is taking on cases, working harder and longer simply to avoid what has happened to her, them and the baby they lost. They bicker over who is in denial and what is being denied. They are on the verge of opening up to each other..."baring their souls"...until Maddie tells David to go first. He pulls over and we (or maybe just me!) are led to believe he is going to lay it all on the line with her only to pick up a hitchhiker instead. Very convenient for David, as he still seems afraid to be the first AGAIN to admit his feelings for Maddie.
But...I don't blame him one bit!
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Post by graycav56 on Jun 29, 2010 19:16:42 GMT -5
How can two people that have shared so much together have nothing to say when trapped in an elevator? Indeed. This scene could have been so much better had they used it to better effect. The early silence was effective, as was David's violent encounter with the speaker and them finally coming to grips with the loss of the baby. It was the next piece that drives me nuts. Instead of some decent dialogue that could be used to set the conditions for the future, we get a crappy duet and an unspoken agreement to just act like the last year never happened. Arg!
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Post by graycav56 on Jun 29, 2010 19:27:30 GMT -5
So my admission question is.......Convince me -- what do you like about this episode? OK, one more thing I liked. Bert's comment "What I wouldn't give to be the man who sired you". So wonderfully creepy and thoughtful in Bert's skewed way.
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Post by beesnbears on Jun 29, 2010 19:28:07 GMT -5
Regarding Kerry Ehrin....I think there are some real parts where she totally understands and knows Maddie and David. The opening scene with Maddie waking at 3:30am, doing laundry, diving into work overload, accusing David of not working, etc.. I can see Maddie dealing with her situation in that way. David tiptoeing around the office, afraid to say much to Maddie, walking out of the office when she starts in on him about work. It's what he does. The denial conversation in the car was one of their best car scenes, imo. She does a pretty good job of painting us a picture of two people who are obviously hurting and need each other. And then she throws in Agnes to have her come right out and say it with "more holes than one of Bert's socks." I think that is one of Ms. DiPesto's best lines! I will say that it seems once the elevator doors open it's as if she was influenced (coerced, maybe ) to go a totally different direction. I can't help but feel as though, if she had been allowed, we would have heard a conversation between them that allowed for some sort of reconciliation other than rolling around in a deflated hot air balloon....... I so hope diane's script secrets helps to support this wishful thinking of mine!!
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Post by notuagain on Jun 29, 2010 19:33:10 GMT -5
I agree Lin212! Season 5 is the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. It's podMaddie and podDavid. Until you watch season 5 you don't realize the extent of Glenn Caron's creative control. I don't think he just wrote the dialogue... (I think the so-called writers of each episode more or less wrote the plot of the episodes--and Caron probably even tinkered with that. ) I believe Glenn's influence on this show can not be overstated. When he left Moonlighting-- the mind, heart, soul, and even libido of the show went with him.
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Post by beesnbears on Jun 29, 2010 19:37:30 GMT -5
About David's hiatus. Well, I never really thought he had really abandoned Maddie and had actually been working on the Anselmo case!! He just wouldn't do it...he couldn't really leave her alone, could he? I think he was doing his own denial/avoiding act in his own way....which was to work on a case that kept him out of the office when Maddie was there and in the office after Maddie left. She was so absorbed in her own grief that she didn't know this and David wasn't going to say much to rock the boat. Just my opinion....if anything a coping mechanism! About David attacking the elevator speaker: Simply pent up emotion and grief. Another way Ehrin shows how well she knows David. He does like to throw and break things when his heart bubbles over! I think it was a way for him to shield Maddie and himself from further grief. We do see a glimpse of Maddie as she seems to recognize "You Must Have Been A Beautiful Baby"....that song pushed him over....
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Post by lin212 on Jun 29, 2010 19:38:01 GMT -5
Was David's two week hiatus his way of decompressing after the last 6-7 months of emotional torture? It seemed completely different than his supportive stance at the end of the previous episode. Was his attack at the speaker an attempt to shield Maddie...or was it to shield HIM from further angst. Recall this is the SECOND baby he lost...even if Maddie tells him that it wasn't his. To me, David's hiatus seems completely out of character at this point in their relationship. He has been there for Maddie since they met, so why would he run during this most critical time in her life? He has always put her happiness first at the expense of his own. I don't buy this story line. David's attack on the speaker seems to be the unleashing of his pain and despair over the loss of the baby. He has been pretending that all is well and this reaction allows us to see how deeply he has been affected by the loss. This is the David that we know.
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Post by graycav56 on Jun 29, 2010 19:42:48 GMT -5
David's attack on the speaker seems to be the unleashing of his pain and despair over the loss of the baby. He has been pretending that all is well and this reaction allows us to see how deeply he has been affected by the loss. This is the David that we know. Yeppers. We have seen David's wrath directed against inanimate objects many times...plumbing fixtures, office furniture, the Bimmer...so the offending audio device surely gets what it deserves. I just think that for David...this is baby loss number two...and once he saw Maddie was back on her feet he took two weeks off to try to make his own internal peace...a peace he had not yet found, thus the trip to Virginia.
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