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Post by jpen on Sept 22, 2010 16:24:15 GMT -5
Not sure what the rule is (if any) on jumping in on this discussion without having re-watched in its entirety, but having recently scanned through this one for clips and having my heart broken all the same, I've just got a few things to say-- some related to the questions, some more tangential... 1. Fave scene? Maybe a moment of a scene, instead: The way David and Maddie look at each other just before the montage. It's like they suddenly (and by they I mean M/D and B/C) realized that this was gonna be it, and you could see the real sadness in their faces as that registered. It hurts, but at least there's some recognition, at long last, of the all the loss. Following up with the montage is just spelling out everything that got thrown out along the way. The song helps and hurts at the same time, but it was a good choice. 2. Least fave scene: A different part of the same scene: When David and Maddie rush to the priest to get married and do the cartoony sell of their relationship. The "mwah mwah mwahs" felt lousy after everything else we'd suffered through. To have them make even more light of what we all believed in, what we wanted so badly to see, especially at this stage of the game, flat out stunk. 3. Cy: Insult to injury, IMO. Walter Bishop (no, but yes) spelling out what went wrong with David and Maddie is a bitter pill to swallow. 4. David went out on a low note for me, despite any last minute redemption attempts. After the crap that went before and the squandered potential that went before the crap that went before, it was too little, too late, and I hate it. "Fooling around"? Jackass. Why why why did they do that to him? Anyway, I've said it before, but the ending of this show was bitter, ugly and cruel. A thoroughly disappointing train wreck unbefitting the brilliance and beauty of its best seasons, both in terms of the relationship between Maddie and David and in terms of the big picture of a once great and powerful endeavor fallen from grace. Yeah, it's just a show, but it was a wonderful show that made millions and millions happy every week. To see that destroyed and laid low like it was, taking the remaining loyal audience to the opposite of happy, and not in a good way? Epic fail. Bitter? Oh, a tad. LOL and smh. Agree on all five points, particularly the marriage thing--how dared they make fun of something all of us wanted to see! (Ironically, they handled the subject much, much better in "Maddie Hayes Got Married," in my opinion.) Sending hugs to you, dear...and to all of us whose hearts ache, even now. May I prescribe a soothing regimen of S2 and 3 episodes? Watch 2 and call me in the morning!
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Post by Hazel on Sept 24, 2010 15:36:41 GMT -5
Not sure what the rule is (if any) on jumping in on this discussion without having re-watched in its entirety, but having recently scanned through this one for clips and having my heart broken all the same, I've just got a few things to say-- some related to the questions, some more tangential... 1. Fave scene? Maybe a moment of a scene, instead: The way David and Maddie look at each other just before the montage. It's like they suddenly (and by they I mean M/D and B/C) realized that this was gonna be it, and you could see the real sadness in their faces as that registered. It hurts, but at least there's some recognition, at long last, of the all the loss. Following up with the montage is just spelling out everything that got thrown out along the way. The song helps and hurts at the same time, but it was a good choice. 2. Least fave scene: A different part of the same scene: When David and Maddie rush to the priest to get married and do the cartoony sell of their relationship. The "mwah mwah mwahs" felt lousy after everything else we'd suffered through. To have them make even more light of what we all believed in, what we wanted so badly to see, especially at this stage of the game, flat out stunk. 3. Cy: Insult to injury, IMO. Walter Bishop (no, but yes) spelling out what went wrong with David and Maddie is a bitter pill to swallow. 4. David went out on a low note for me, despite any last minute redemption attempts. After the crap that went before and the squandered potential that went before the crap that went before, it was too little, too late, and I hate it. "Fooling around"? Jackass. Why why why did they do that to him? Anyway, I've said it before, but the ending of this show was bitter, ugly and cruel. A thoroughly disappointing train wreck unbefitting the brilliance and beauty of its best seasons, both in terms of the relationship between Maddie and David and in terms of the big picture of a once great and powerful endeavor fallen from grace. Yeah, it's just a show, but it was a wonderful show that made millions and millions happy every week. To see that destroyed and laid low like it was, taking the remaining loyal audience to the opposite of happy, and not in a good way? Epic fail. Bitter? Oh, a tad. LOL and smh. Agree on all five points, particularly the marriage thing--how dared they make fun of something all of us wanted to see! (Ironically, they handled the subject much, much better in "Maddie Hayes Got Married," in my opinion.) Sending hugs to you, dear...and to all of us whose hearts ache, even now. May I prescribe a soothing regimen of S2 and 3 episodes? Watch 2 and call me in the morning! Thanks. Especially for getting my marriage taunt rant. Still irritates the crap outta me. Anyway, I was recently on an S4 jag, if you can believe it. Next to S5, it's golden. Anyway, I'm back in S2 now-- watched Iron Mask *le sigh* and will be watching Money Talks post haste.
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Post by jpen on Sept 24, 2010 19:30:29 GMT -5
Awwww..."I'm glad you're my partner, partner" and the kiss on the palm... Good for what ails us!
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Post by beesnbears on Sept 25, 2010 8:19:09 GMT -5
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Post by lin212 on Sept 26, 2010 9:14:24 GMT -5
What is your a fave scene from this episode? Can we all find one? This is a tough question...I do think the scene gray chose is funny, what with Agnes gathering her trousseau and preparing for her impending nuptials. However, if I were to choose I think I would say the scene where David meets Mark. It's here that we finally see a glimpse, ever so slightly, of the David we know. He realizes in this scene that he has crossed a line, that what he had been doing was only hurting everyone around him. Also what is the scene you hate most in this episode? The opening scene. I know Annie was put between Maddie and David for a reason, but that scene is almost too much...for me, anyway. This is the LAST episode of a groundbreaking show and they choose to open with Annie in David's arms. I suppose I could have taken it had they ended the show with Maddie in David's arms. Well, I have finally been reconnected with the world, so here goes. I am on the same page with you, bees. I too liked the scene between David and Mark. I like David's line when Mark is wondering if Annie's lover really loves her..."What if it's just a laugh for him?" I like this line because for me it tells us what really has been the core of David's relationship with Annie. Also, talking to Mark seems to awaken David's sense of decency and makes him realize the consequences of his "fun". We see a glimmer of the old David. As for least favorite scene, I agree that the opening scene is too much to bear. It makes me ill.
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Post by lin212 on Sept 26, 2010 9:25:40 GMT -5
1. Do you find David's behavior at the beginning of the episode, in particular in his confrontation with Maddie, consistent with the rest of Season 5?As gray said, it's consistent with the rest of the Annie arc, in which David seems to have lost his moral compass entirely. One of the things I always loved about David was that he had a very definite sense of right and wrong--not always a conventional sense, but a definite one. And usually, he came down on the side of compassion (think of his decision in "Witness," or his defense of Stephen Brower), which by its very definition means thinking of others. In his interactions with Annie, David has thought nothing of hurting not only her invisible husband, but also the woman who has been his partner, best friend, mother of his child. I love when Maddie calls him on his "detachment" in their confrontation, when he says it's "none of his business" what Annie decides about her marriage: "Well, if you really believe that, I have nothing more to say to you." Go, Maddie! I would've kicked him out, too. Yes, yes and yes. David's behavior is consistent with the Annie arc, but not with all of Season 5. Even though we suffered through the "pal" thing up to this point, David had not been deliberately cruel to Maddie. Invasion of the body snatchers...
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Post by lin212 on Sept 26, 2010 9:35:29 GMT -5
( b). Why do you think the writers decided against Maddie and David getting back together at the end of the episode?I think that it was conspiracy. I think that when word of the cancellation came through, Jay Daniels called Glenn on the QT and asked him what to do. I believe that Glenn thought that David and Maddie were totally wrong for each other and their relationship was a constant struggle...they couldn't end up "happily ever after". That would be too easy. LOL
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Post by lin212 on Sept 26, 2010 9:42:45 GMT -5
2. What do you think we learn from Maddie's reaction to Agnes & Bert's engagement announcement?I loved her genuine happiness--she is really pleased for them, and there's no sense of bitterness in her congratulations. Also, it was great to see her celebrate with the staff--she's come a long way in her interactions with them. But I felt like her chugging champagne from the bottle struck a false note. (In an episode that was a veritable symphony of false notes, I guess it's hardly important, but it still bugged me.)Maddie has definitely become "more laid-back, more loosey-goosey," but Ms. Hayes always uses a glass! Agree, jen. We know that Maddie is a romantic and Agnes' and Bert's relationship fits the bill. What does Maddie say in "Yours Very Deadly"? Something about...you meet someone, get to know each other, fall in love, etc. - yes, their story would warm Maddie's heart.
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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Jan 4, 2011 12:25:52 GMT -5
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Post by maddiendavefan on Jan 6, 2011 19:44:43 GMT -5
I've been feeling sad over most of season 5 since I just watched the episodes for the first time so this definitely cheered me up! Seeing all those scenes again, wow... it really was like a completely different show with two different characters compared to the last episodes. Beautiful video! No way those 2 could ever fall out of love!
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Post by beesnbears on Jan 6, 2011 20:06:19 GMT -5
Trust me, maddiedavefan, we can all relate to your feelings. You are experiencing one of the first signs of "essedness". Sorry to say there is really no cure, only ways to deal with all of the other symptoms you will soon experience...... May I suggest a prescription? Okay! 1. Read others angst on the board and post your own...venting is good for the soul. 2. YouTube is always great for a quick cheer up. 3. Read all of the fan fiction out there, particularly Virtual Moonlighting. 4. See number one above. 5. Tell yourself (even though it wasn't what we would have liked to see as the last episode) that "Lunar Eclipse" does end with a little bit of hope through the voice of Ray Charles. 6. Refer to number one...... ;D
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Post by maddiendavefan on Jan 7, 2011 2:43:27 GMT -5
Thank you for the great tips... I'm going to work through the pain with your help! Isn't it amazing how a TV show and its characters can literally give you a pit in your stomach because you want to see them happy together so badly? But like you said, I do cling to that final song with hope though... and in my head they've been together loving one another and fighting with one another with all the passion and chemistry we all love ever since
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Post by sandra on Jan 7, 2011 6:10:11 GMT -5
3. Read all of the fan fiction out there, particularly Virtual Moonlighting. Yes, maddiendavefan, I can absolutely underline this!!! VM is great-great! As for the stages of 'essedness: I'm still on the stage of denial - haven't watched S 5 at all so far (and I'm refusing it!!).
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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Jan 7, 2011 10:32:15 GMT -5
Glad it helped you maddiendavefan -I love that sequence, it really does capture what is was all about and makes you smile. Sandra, there are a few moments from series 5 in there too - hard to believe but there were a few kisses hidden in there. I think if I dare to tread the Series 5 path again, I will stop at Perfetc and imagine them going off to Paris together! The Annie arc is like a total stranger to Moonlighting- it sticks out like something badly pasted on to a work of art - like someone glued arms on the Venus De Milo :-O Love to you all BlueMooners. Love that advice list - it is soooo true! xx
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Post by maddiendavefan on Jan 10, 2011 5:48:12 GMT -5
I've started reading Virtual Moonlighting and I'm hooked! And feeling better already! They read like scripts from the show and GREAT scripts from the show at that! I can visualize it all so perfectly, it's like I'm getting extra unseen episodes on play in my imagination. It really is great therapy!
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