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Post by iluvdavid on Sept 24, 2011 18:33:24 GMT -5
The way Maddie is so certain in this episode that David is NOT the father makes no sense. She mentions sonograms and calendars but they can not predict the precise day the baby was conceived. Maddie had sex with David one night after she had sex with Sam so there really was no way of knowing that David was not the father. Later in the series they determined that David was the dad cause she wasn't as far along as she believed.
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myfairdavid
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Post by myfairdavid on Sept 25, 2011 12:46:15 GMT -5
I just wish David had known for sure that he was the baby's father.
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Post by rose35 on Sept 25, 2011 14:21:25 GMT -5
I agree, the only way to determine for sure was through a blood test and it should have been left at that, yes she could have been not sure cause it happened so close that 1 time with Sam and the next night with David but then there was a whole month of time after with David ,1 day differance would not convince any woman it was definitely one mans and not the others unless time in between each was a week or couple of weeks. David knew it was his deep down i truly believe it! I think Maddie knew for sure too but was still scared. Im glad we as viewers found that out baby was Davids but David deserved to know he was the father! I believe it was truly worst thing she could have done to say so coldly that she knew for sure baby wasnt his! She had no way to know that for sure. UGH JMO
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Post by iluvdavid on Sept 25, 2011 15:18:53 GMT -5
I wasn't happy with Maddie's behavior in this episode. She was just so cold to David...telling him to wait again. Telling him directly that the baby was not his. And wanting him to be upset. I was so happy David didn't show her how upset he must have actually been.
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Post by myfairdavid on Sept 25, 2011 17:38:09 GMT -5
I agree with all of your post, rose! I'm glad we knew, but I'm still mad to this day that David didn't know. I don't know why he couldn't just talk her into a simple blood test. He deserves to know for sure.
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Post by diane on Sept 25, 2011 20:01:41 GMT -5
I agree with all of your post, rose! I'm glad we knew, but I'm still mad to this day that David didn't know. I don't know why he couldn't just talk her into a simple blood test. He deserves to know for sure. I'm not an expert so correct me if I am wrong, but back in 1987, was it so easy as a simple blood test in utero? Sounds funny but my only frame of reference is all the people on soaps who got pregnant and didn't know who the father was seemed to have to wait until after the baby was born. I know that is not the cae now, but was it then?
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Post by beesnbears on Sept 25, 2011 21:50:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they didn't have the tests back then either. Maddie was going by the information her doctor gave her...which was based on the information she gave him. My first daughter was born in 1985...not sure what tests they had, if any, before the birth of a baby....but I didn't have a reason to run tests...lol! Hence, I never felt Maddie was trying to mislead David by telling him the baby wasn't his. Walter was her roadblock she threw in front of him. That scene always males me very sad, though...
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Post by witness on Sept 26, 2011 2:36:46 GMT -5
Folks, I'm confused by all of you saying that Maddie's last night with Sam and first night with David are 24 hours--more or less--apart. Is this based on an assumption that Maddie made love with Sam again, only an hour before she showed up on David's doorstep at 4 am? I was always under the impression that they did the deed in "Sam & Dave," and then Maddie was not "in the mood for a date," i.e., romance, after the traumatic events of the case in "Maddie's Turn to Cry." This would mean that the time between encounters was 48 hours--roughly. Hmmm...this is like that weighty question about "Atlas": Dave on the couch or not on the couch?
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Post by sandra on Sept 26, 2011 3:20:14 GMT -5
Folks, I'm confused by all of you saying that Maddie's last night with Sam and first night with David are 24 hours--more or less--apart. Is this based on an assumption that Maddie made love with Sam again, only an hour before she showed up on David's doorstep at 4 am? I was always under the impression that they did the deed in "Sam & Dave," and then Maddie was not "in the mood for a date," i.e., romance, after the traumatic events of the case in "Maddie's Turn to Cry." This would mean that the time between encounters was 48 hours--roughly. Hmmm...this is like that weighty question about "Atlas": Dave on the couch or not on the couch? Witness, I think I'm more with you here, although we don't know for sure. But I don't think Maddie made love with Sam the night before showing up at David's place in MTTC. But 48 hours are still a very very close range - given the fact she had been more often by far with David than with Sam, and with only a very tiny gap in between, there's no way she could be sure the baby was Sam's, and that makes it very hard to understand why she so firmly insists on it - oh, initially it makes sense, of course; having decided to deal with the whole issue the way she did (by marrying Walter), it fir in and was much easier if the baby wasn't David's - I think a big deal of her conviction was also meant to convince herself. It gets much harder to understand later, especially when in the hospital scene of MHGM she tells David that she wished with all her heart the baby she was carrying was his - why she still sticks to the conviction that it isn't, I really don't understand. The "scientific" aspect isn't sufficient to brace that, IMO. This will be one of the - frustratingly - unresolved questions...
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 26, 2011 4:40:20 GMT -5
I agree with all of your post, rose! I'm glad we knew, but I'm still mad to this day that David didn't know. I don't know why he couldn't just talk her into a simple blood test. He deserves to know for sure. I'm not an expert so correct me if I am wrong, but back in 1987, was it so easy as a simple blood test in utero? Sounds funny but my only frame of reference is all the people on soaps who got pregnant and didn't know who the father was seemed to have to wait until after the baby was born. I know that is not the cae now, but was it then? That what I wanted to ask too, you read my mind Diane! Besides I don't think Maddie was so cruel to hide the truth from David.. In my opinion she said the baby was not David's because she really believed he was not his. She didn't say it to hurt him or to make him mad. If you remember she didn't change her mind even later when their relationship seemed to get better (when they start attending Lamaze classes together?). She was just being honest as always. She was wrong this time and the baby was David's. But she thought it was Sam's. And she said how she felt it. JMO of course.
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Post by iluvdavid on Sept 26, 2011 5:05:17 GMT -5
Maddie is an intelligent woman. How could she really believe that David was not the father when it was only ONE day later that she slept with him? And didn't she sleep with Sam only once? A month with David starting ONE night after Sam and one day with Same..yet she insists the baby is not David's! I blame this one on the writers!
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Post by sandra on Sept 26, 2011 6:55:52 GMT -5
Maddie is an intelligent woman. How could she really believe that David was not the father when it was only ONE day later that she slept with him? And didn't she sleep with Sam only once? A month with David starting ONE night after Sam and one day with Same..yet she insists the baby is not David's! I blame this one on the writers! The only reasonable thing to do!
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Post by finefinegoodgood on Sept 26, 2011 9:47:47 GMT -5
I think it comes down to people believe what doctors tell them. Doctors go by the information you give them...therefore with the dates Maddie must have gave the doctor...he came up with the conception date. But Im with you iluvdavid....I blame the writers. I wish Maddie and even just said something as simple as the doctor said this was the conception date, but I think its to close to call...lets have testing done after the baby is born...that would have made us all happy.
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Post by myfairdavid on Sept 26, 2011 10:35:51 GMT -5
Here's the thing I don't get: David was really devastated when that baby died. Which leads me to believe maybe he DID know?
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Post by 1987 on Sept 26, 2011 10:40:14 GMT -5
To determine the paternity of a fetus in utero it requires a CVS (chorionic villi sampling) testing or an amniocentesis. There are risks involved to the mother and fetus in both methods so performing them is not desirable. I'm not sure the CVS method was even available in 1987. I'm sure most paternity tests were done after the baby is born - and still are today.
Having said that though, I seem to be the only one who has always thought that Maddie and David knew that he was the father. Their conversation in the hospital room at the end of WWAV always seemed to me like they had learned this after the miscarriage. His line "Me, a father." And hers, "You would have made a terrific father'" indicated to me that they had been told.
It wasn't until I got on this board and saw so many people posting that it was such a shame that the audience knew but not them that I became really confused. I wondered what I had missed. I just assumed Maddie was wrong and it was determined through the size of a stillborn Baby Hayes that he was smaller and so it was David's. Maybe I just interpreted it differently. Maybe I have spent way too much time thinking about a topic so sad and one we shouldn't have had to analyze anyway.
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