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Post by rose35 on Jan 4, 2012 19:59:15 GMT -5
Maddie probably nixed every restaurant or idea David had and that is why they wound up with no where to go at 2 in the morning. JMO Oh dear, I really don't want to think that, but I must say it wouldn't surprise me... This is so weird but i said smth like this today on twitter dont know who saw it but i said i thought same thing it was 9:00ish when they left her house right? corect me if im worng anyone but it didnt take hours to drive to laundermat,what were they doing in car whole time , in my head i hear David wanna go here , Maddies saying No,etc etc etc , its JMO.
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Post by rose35 on Jan 4, 2012 20:22:45 GMT -5
Sue, totally agree!! Worst writing, and utmost unbelievable!! No possibility to find anything open?? What is this, L.A. or some midland suburbia??? Ridiculous. And no, of course he never had a chance. You don't even have to go as far as the totally despicable "ambivalent" exchange -- already in the scene in front of her mirror we clearly see that she is not only ambivalent, but deeply negative towards this date -- which btw IMO is bad writing again, because in that scene in the office we could clearly see she was happy about it. That change of mind of hers came out of nowhere! So agree Sandra, the mirror thign is so riduiculous so was setting him up for a fall then, She should have been happy like im going to give David a chance lets see what happens , and why couldnt she be more down to his level too and be more spontaneous. Why is everything on David trying to be all fancy why couldnt she let her hair down more. Not sayign they had to go to a Wreastling match HAHA JMO Plus She was thrilled in Ofiice like a young giddy girl in love. What happened is right. She was ambivalent and once she told him he knew he didnt stand a chance JMO
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Post by beesnbears on Jan 4, 2012 20:50:52 GMT -5
I agree the writing was way off base. But, I always reconciled this by believing we were suppose to think that getting Maddie to come out of the house took longer than "real time" as we watched. Maddie comes out and says it's after 9:00pm....all the movies have started, all the the nice places to eat are booked and she didn't feel comfortable going to a bar. So, they take off in search of a plan B. Since it is late by the time they get to the Laundromat, how do we know they didn't stop somewhere or try to get in somewhere? I don't mean to be naive, I'm just saying the way it was written, as poorly and uncaring as it was, that we were suppose to think they had to have been out doing something....somewhere....and as usual there were roadblocks. Maybe he was afraid to take her to all the places he took "she who shall not be named." It's just me....my own personal coping mechanism...because it is painful.
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Post by iluvdavid on Jan 4, 2012 21:39:57 GMT -5
who is she? Jillian? Maybe they uh stopped off for a quickie? And really if you really truly love someone you are happy wherever you are with them. I'd rather be in McDonalds with a man I love then the 4 Seasons with someone I don't..just me
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Post by sandra on Jan 5, 2012 1:14:50 GMT -5
And really if you really truly love someone you are happy wherever you are with them. I'd rather be in McDonalds with a man I love then the 4 Seasons with someone I don't..just me Not just you!! That's exactly the point!!
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Post by witness on Jan 5, 2012 1:35:13 GMT -5
I'd rather be in McDonalds with a man I love then the 4 Seasons with someone I don't..just me First of all, excellent point Sue. Secondly, here's a guy who turned A Night at the Mortuary into a potentially romantic situation. David suffered a lapse in his rich imagination here. And I don't believe Maddie spent 5 hours nixing and naysaying. Regarding her speech at the laundromat, I think she was rambling, saying nonsensical things (cheeseburgers, shopping together) because she couldn't come to an understanding about her ambivalence toward their relationship. Even the renowned Dr. Joyce Brothers couldn't help in that department . Neither could David--the person who'd been helping her "figure things out," been her reality check since Day One. This was something Maddie would have to figure out on her own...and off to Chicago she went.
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Post by sandra on Jan 5, 2012 2:10:45 GMT -5
Maybe he was afraid to take her to all the places he took "she who shall not be named." It's just me....my own personal coping mechanism...because it is painful. Totally agree Bees, that's an absolutely believable reason! Nervous as he was, and with her general "ambivalence" already unmistakably declared, he was absolutely scared that none of what he could suggest would ever live up to her expectations. Of course, it was a mistake he let himself paralyze by this fear...
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Post by sandra on Jan 5, 2012 4:22:46 GMT -5
Even the renowned Dr. Joyce Brothers couldn't help in that department . Neither could David--the person who'd been helping her "figure things out," been her reality check since Day One. This was something Maddie would have to figure out on her own...and off to Chicago she went. Yes, yes, yes, witness!! Thanks for voicing what the main problem is! Of course, she wouldn't oppose to each and every of his possible suggestions just for thepleasure of opposing! The poor girl, all wound up in her imagination of how things - and relationships - are "supposed to be", was totally confused about and, even more, afraid of that uncontrollable whirlwind a relationship with David represented in her life, was unsure about herself, about her feelings and attitude towards the relationship, fighting with her own ambivalence - and only she could figure it out. As you point out, nothing David could have said or done at this point would have made any difference, as long as she herself could not overcome her very own - for lack of a better expression let me call it - "fear of flying"!
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Post by iluvdavid on Jan 5, 2012 5:42:38 GMT -5
uh fear of something F...ha ha
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Post by witness on Jan 6, 2012 1:05:21 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes, witness!! Thanks for voicing what the main problem is! Of course, she wouldn't oppose to each and every of his possible suggestions just for thepleasure of opposing! The poor girl, all wound up in her imagination of how things - and relationships - are "supposed to be", was totally confused about and, even more, afraid of that uncontrollable whirlwind a relationship with David represented in her life, was unsure about herself, about her feelings and attitude towards the relationship, fighting with her own ambivalence - and only she could figure it out. As you point out, nothing David could have said or done at this point would have made any difference, as long as she herself could not overcome her very own - for lack of a better expression let me call it - "fear of flying"! Yes sandra! Thanks for the help in clarifying what I was attempting to say! This discussion began on the subject of the disastrous date. Then it was about whether it had to be written that way to follow the plotline. Last night I started thinking, "Would it really have made any difference?" When David made his announcement, Maddie was over the moon...for five seconds. That uncertainty of whether she could be in a relationship with David--full of passion for life, passion for HER--was there to stay. Of course, being David is a wonderful thing, but I imagine that heightened intensity, emotion, energy, could get overwhelming and dare I say, suffocating; especially since they spent nearly every sleeping and waking hour together. Maddie needed space, but she wouldn't have been able to stay away for long. Desperate times call for desperate measures, because as she told him on the phone, he would have easily persuaded her to stay had he known she was leaving. Oh, the paaaaiiiinnnn
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Post by iluvdavid on Jan 6, 2012 5:43:35 GMT -5
I often wonder what exactly Maddie was afraid of. Her loss of control//what does that mean? Was she scared that David would eventually tire of her and leave? Was she afraid that ...what There are no certainties that ANY relationship will last no matter how well suited you may seem for one another. What was she so frightened of? ?
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Post by sandra on Jan 6, 2012 6:32:09 GMT -5
That's a good question, Sue - and one I have always had difficulties to figure out. I think loss of control meaning partly that she was afraid to show herself weak, vulnerable; that maybe her brain wouldn't be the part in control of her life any more, but her heart, her feelings, her passion maybe. And I think she hated the thought that there could be any part of her life she couldn't control with her mind. And a relationship with David would have been exactly that. I don't think she was afraid David could leave or hurt her - I don't think she doubted his feelings. I think as a strong, independent woman she had gotren used to being in control, and in sole control, of every aspect of her life. David would have had power over her somehow, he was her weak spot. And I think maybe she just was afraid of the thought of being weak.
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Post by iluvdavid on Jan 6, 2012 8:20:41 GMT -5
Yes but pondering Maddies fear some more I started thinking of TOMT and how she dreamed of D turning into Pat Boone and how she would hate it and didn't she mention once that David might turn into a responsible husband but he would eventually resent it..or was this a ff? Lol
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Post by sandra on Jan 6, 2012 9:15:20 GMT -5
Yes makes it even harder to understand. So, she didn't want calm & steady David either. Well, remains the fact that in a relationship with him she had no control over herself. And that's what creeped the hell out of her, I think.
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Post by witness on Jan 7, 2012 5:22:33 GMT -5
Yes but pondering Maddies fear some more I started thinking of TOMT and how she dreamed of D turning into Pat Boone and how she would hate it and didn't she mention once that David might turn into a responsible husband but he would eventually resent it..or was this a ff? Lol Well, remember in that same episode, Maddie says she wants David (the real deal), she just can't stand him, but she loves him anyway for the things she can't stand about him. Make sense? Point is, Maddie wanted David and loved him in spite of herself. She drove herself crazy because to find space she tried to push him off, then needed to be close to him again within a day--and that's how it was long before they got horizontal (think "Atlas Belched"). And yes, in "Eek! A Spouse!" she told Agnes that David would try to mold himself into a Pat Boone, but they'd both be miserable because he wouldn't be David.
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