By what we see, I always thought that he would have won and that is why Maddie is so angry. But how would he have known he would have won and that it wasn't a sure thing? I never understood why she would be so mad unless there was some reason she knew he knew he would have won.
I don't think David sabottaged the game in any way - there was no way he could be sure that they could have won. Sawyer looked confident, but I think he was just bluffing and playing with Maddie's head - losing would be small potatoes to him and he could afford to bluff. Maddie had everything to lose, which is why David wanted her to fold. Maddie was angry at the end because it turns out that they would have won and David had convinced her to fold, so she takes it out on him. Which really is unreasonable because there was no way to know that Sawyer was bluffing, but that's just Maddie for you. But I think that David really did have Maddie's best interests at hear when he convinced her to fold. Just my opinion.
Post by queensgirl on Sept 4, 2005 19:39:43 GMT -5
I don't think David sabottaged the game in any way - there was no way he could be sure that they could have won...Maddie had everything to lose, which is why David wanted her to fold. Maddie was angry at the end because it turns out that they would have won and David had convinced her to fold, so she takes it out on him.
I have to agree with you here. I think it makes no sense for David to deliberately mess up Maddie's chance to win more money. She just got mad because if she had gone for it, she would have been that much more lucky. But that's what taking a chance means. It made for one of those great twist endings.
If I recall correctly (I just saw this episode a week or so ago), David had a pair of tens, Sawyer had a pair of twos (or nothing—I'm not really sure). Not that I know much about poker, but there are a LOT of hands that are better than a pair of tens. Of course this is not taking into account that David could see some of the cards Sawyer already had, so perhaps he knew that there wasn't much of a chance of Sawyer winning—I really don't know. But a pair of tens is not that super-great.
David did what he did for the reasons gypsygem outlined—Maddie had so much more to lose. David may have been "pretty sure" that he'd win (or not), but "pretty sure" is not good enough when everything Maddie owns is on the line. Especially when everything is at risk of being handed over to a "reptile" like Sawyer. David did the absolute right thing, but he turned out to be wrong about Sawyer's poker hand. So of course Maddie had to take it out on him! But I don't think she was all that serious.
Post by callmeditzy on Oct 28, 2008 21:03:22 GMT -5
I just re-watched this episode for the "Re-watching" thread in the miscellaneous section and paused on the poker hands so I could finally figure out whether or not David knew he had won.
The verdict? No.
David had two queens. Sawyer had two tens showing, but David didn't know what his down card was. If it had been another ten, Sawyer would have had three of a kind, beating David. If it was any other card (which it turned out to be), David would have won. Obviously, the chances were much less that Sawyer would have a ten and beat David, but it's still a risk. Considering what was on the line, David played conservatively. But he didn't knowingly fold a winning hand, that's for sure.
What I noticed this time, though, that I hadn't noticed before was that Sawyer was bluffing hard-core! He knew he only had a pair of tens and David was showing four clubs. For all Sawyer knew, David's down card could have been another club, which would have obliterated his pair.
But it was easier for Sawyer to risk it all because he wasn't betting anything meaningful to him. David wasn't willing to risk everything good that Maddie had going on in her life. I thought it was quite heroic of him!