Those are good replies. I think the shark started swimming around when they brought Maddie back from Chicago married. Bad idea. I hated it the first time I saw it and I hate it now just thinking about it.
Post by bluevelvet on Jun 15, 2005 17:53:38 GMT -5
Ok, I am a stupid, romantic fool. I hated the Chicago episodes, the Terri and Walter Bishop ones and the Annie episodes. But I kept watching and wishing and hoping. So I was the idiot who still hoped that right up to Lunar Eclipse, some sort of resolution would be reached. I am still waiting.
Ok, I can't really find one particular point that i would call the JTS moment, but for me personally I find "Between A Yuk and A Hard Place" hugely frustrating. We've suffered the exasperating Tale In Two Cities saga, and then the totally unrealistic marriage to Walter, and then the sadness over Maddie losing the baby. In "Yuk" I love the elevator scene because I think that finally D & M are showing their true emotions to each other after trying to cope in their own ways, but that is all too brief and this huge, heart-breaking event in both their lives is resolved by singing a few hymns - HOW??? For me, from that point on, I had the feeling David and Maddie were not going to have that closeness that we all wanted them to have. And don't even get me started on Annie....
Even though I get really annoyed at the season 4 episodes, it's not until Season 5 that I think the programme lost it. Towards the end of Season 4, D&M were getting closer again, and even after they had lost the baby, they seemed affectionate. However, mid season five, it became so lacking in warmth it was just painful to watch. Don't get me started on Lunar Eclipse...grr
"You can lead a horse to water, but that doesn't make it a duck"
Post by haddie mayes on Aug 12, 2006 17:29:16 GMT -5
One word ANNIE!!! For me personally ` When Girls Collide ` was the turning point for me and i sort of gave up any hope of David and Maddie getting back together again. Yes there were some great moments thrown in there like ( that couch scene in `In Laws....) but without the possibility of David and Maddie becoming an item again it wasn`t the same ( lets just be thankfull that Bruce and Cybills sexual tension and chemistry still managed to shine through .) I dont mean to sound ungratefull and i would defend season 5 to the end and there were some good story lines. But lets be honest the plot lines were the last thing on our minds, it was then and always will be the relationship between David and Maddie that kept us tuning in every week.
I have yet to watch Season 5 yet. But, from the brief clips of Season 5 from YouTube, I get the impression that David and Maddie were a little more friendly to each other during the earlier Season 5 episode.
Case in point. Maddie's sweet kiss to David when he bought her a necklace in "Take My Wife, For Example".
The Jump The Shark moment? Annie! Without a doubt. David and Maddie breaking up? What is that! "Moonlighting" is all about David and Maddie. It was such a grave dissapointment to me, that the Writers had taken such a turn. While, I didn't expect David and Maddie's relationship to be smooth sailing. Such a turn of events is quite difficult to accept. Abhorent really!
It has been a long time since I have watched the Moonlighting episodes, and I am pretty sure that I may have a different opinion depending the jumping the shark incident or incidents.
Once I get to re-watch them from scratch and build up that special feeling and then see how progressively I may get sad with the outcome of the series.
I do remember that my love and concern for Moonlighting was growing big even when Maddie was in Chicago. Do keep in mind that in Greece we did not have to go through the reruns that all of the US viewers went through and I do believe that may have caused some strain on your ML patience. I remember the time I went through a sudden ML alienation was during my watching the episode "Tracks of My Tears". Somehow that episode was not coming well with me. It felt very strange, too surrealistic, and maybe even prophetic when we got to see that train crashing in the Blue Moon Investigations Offices. After that, I did get a relief from the episode "Eek! A Spouse" because it gave me some long awaited good old Moonlighting moments to have a balance and then here we go again with the train wreckage in the form of ... Walter Bishop. "Maddie Hayes Got Married" is considered a ten point episode by many of you my friends, but I do remember getting that strange feeling again. I mean, Mark Harmon was in the series and it worked perfect, but now that Walter Bishop thing was not doing so well inside me. Walter Bishop kinda ruined it for me. On the other hand Terry was great and on the episode "Maddie Hayes Got Married" I felt wow, I forgot about her. It seems that writers brought her in on the episode to instigate a jealousy scene with Maddie and David. I do remember watching the hospital scene at he end of the episode and it seemed kinda rushing to a point. Then came the season finale and I was left there with so many sad thoughts that things were not going to be as good as they used to be.
After that, Moonlighting stopped airing for a while in Greece because the channel that had bought the seasons up to the fourth one decided not to buy the last one. Maybe because it was not doing so well all ready in the US? ( I will need the US viewers feedback on this one),
After quite some time another channel bought the last season and we finally got to watch what happened to the Moonlighting characters. Season five was on and off ok. But, I felt that Maddie was not having feelings towards David and David was pretty much the same with her. It felt like an old married couple going through the hoops. The Annie character was welcome in a way because she made us see David be revived again as a man. So, I guess there is some truth on the notion that a woman can make you or break you. Perhaps Cybil was projecting her own feelings and it felt that she was kinda tired. She was not the Maddie Hayes we knew, something got her strained. So, I believe that the Walter Bishop incident gave the push and the way that the characters were involved in the last season was the jump over the shark.
Still, I want to get back and relive the experience and see if now that I am older and more perceptive of other factors, I am form a different opinion.
Post by goofandsimple on Dec 9, 2006 23:45:22 GMT -5
I was about nine years old when Moonlighting first aired. I remember being in middle school and being teased for liking the show. I had a crush on Cybill. I also had a crush on the fast-talking, witty dialogue.
I don't recall watching the show through its final season. However, what I do remember is feeling that the show ceased being what I liked: a light, fun show that teased its fans. Instead, the show became a heavy, brooding, relationship show that bogged down its fans.
Again, I was barely a teenager when the show ended. I've held this perception in my head since that time. I have watched the DVDs beginning last December, viewing no more than one episode per week. As I type this message I have just concluded "Maddie's Turn To Cry." I want to see if my percpeption holds true, or if I having been living under false pretenses all this time.
I do know that I still enjoy show (so far). While it may have always been a "relationship show," the little mysteries served as an indirect vehicle to explore their personalities and relationship. I fear that after they "do it" their their relationship will be addressed directly and all the fun that goes with flirting will be gone.
I have read and enjoyed everyone's comments and opinions on the JTS theory.
I have to totally agree with Diane about when I think it occurred. The show had a great chance to regroup after the whole Chicago thing and could have even recovered from the little Bishop guy and the loss of Baby Hayes had they only allowed Maddie and David to talk in the elevator scene. This is so painful to watch After all they had been through they exit the elevator singing!! Give me a Cotton' pickin' break! I was even willing to give the benefit of doubt to the writers by thinking that they were trying to provide comic relief to a very sad situation at the end of AWWAV. But, at the end of the elevator scene, (even still some 16 years later) I felt so BAMBOOZLED!!
So what did I do? Like all true ML fans, I kept watching and watching and hoping and hoping and it just got more and more painful. The last show airs and I am thinking, okay, there is about 15 minutes left of this......surely they will somehow get D and M together. Well, we know the rest.
The best TV show ever had the chance to show the development in the characters of Maddie and David and completely let us all down. How could they not understand this?!?
The 5th season does have some moments. I truly believe it is because of Cybill and Bruce doing their darnedest to keep the characters alive. David had been "de-daved" by all of the angst in Season 4 and Maddie had been portrayed as psychotic by making rash decisions that Maddie would never make. But still, had things been handled differently in the story line, they could have recovered with B and C driving the efforts.
Many things have been said or written as to the demise of the show. I am a believer that teams reflect leadership.
Those that were in charge after AWWAV, IMHO, did not lead where leadership was needed.......writers, producers, directors, whoever...........
Bruce and Cybill, the team players, could only do so much before it all hit the fan.
Post by maddieaddisonjr on Dec 6, 2007 2:03:38 GMT -5
Whoops. All this time I've been missing this thread. If I hadn't I wouldn't have started the same topic on the Members Talk forum. My apologies! It was also interesting to read Diane's and others' opinions about the JTS moment(s) through the provided link. Thanks.
Well, some time has passed and I've had a slight change of mind about the JTS. I think I agree with most that Maddie returning from Chicago after all that time away from David just to end up avoiding him even more by marrying a nice stranger on a train was a rather unpleasant shocker. Something kinda cracked in my fanhood when Dave told her with that fed-up kind of smile he'd never worn before that she was 'certifiably nuts'
I was further alarmed by the miscarriage. After all the angst of season 4 and David taking Lemaze classes without Maddie, there's not going to even be a cute little baby, a Dave Jr. but instead a nasty 'un-funny un-cute' miscarriage with Maddie so close to term? That is not Moonllighting, folks. And on top of that David never learns, as we do, that he was indeed the father? What??
I still think the main Jump was in Yuk/Hard Place when, sure, they emote but they don't talk at all - about anything - in the elevator and skip out smiling very weirdly and singing spirituals - waayy out of character and out of context - with them becoming "The Two (Sexless) Stooges" from the very next scene until Annie. Moonlighting as I knew it was gone.
I think everything got officially swallowed by the shark in When Girls Collide. Two things: David is nearly enraptured by an unknown woman in the lobby. While I enjoyed the look on his face in and of itself, the fact that David could look at someone else like that besides Maddie rang the alarm bells for me. That was bad and it got worse. And this is a two-parter "worse"
1. Maddie is upstairs sleeping while David romances her own cousin. David and Annie go out and have romantic moments that would have been so great if it had been David and Maddie - even after everything that had happened, WGC would have been awesome. And I actually like the way the late night date scene was filmed - even though it was Annie. What a wasted opportunity!
2. In the series finale, David Addison is in bed with another woman (yeah, Annie). In David and Maddie's series finale! I could not believe it. And nothing of note happened between our main couple. Nothing. Not even a good-bye kiss or hug - or even handholding. What the - !
If I hated the show and wanted to ruin it, I couldn't have done any better than what was actually done. Makes me wonder if anyone involved with S5 actually watched the other 4 seasons or were actually fans of the show and the main couple. Shouldn't those have been requirements at least for the writers/producers?
I've just order seasons 4 and 5, I'll start rewatching to see if I still feel the same about all this but I'm sure I will