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Post by Cindy on Jun 10, 2006 12:25:58 GMT -5
Nice driving, Mr. A.
The first time I saw this scene of David just smashing the piss out of the car, I was totally shocked and couldn't imagine why he would have done that. But after watching it several times I saw his extreme frustration and how totally upset he was. He has a tendency to tear up things when he is hurt or angry (remember him trashing the bathroom in Brother Can You Spare a Blonde? and his office in I am Curious...Maddie). The man is intense, no?
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Post by Stephanie on Jun 10, 2006 14:27:03 GMT -5
Ow I felt so bad for him in this scene... I missed Maddie too...
btw Cindy, I counted the episodes. I only saw 2 of this season... The season opener and this one :s
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Post by rose35 on Jun 11, 2006 16:15:20 GMT -5
I feel so bad for David in this episode. In the beginning he is so happy talking with Bert and Agnes. Then when he finds out what happpend to Maddie and he takes the BMW and does what he does i so understand him. He was heartbroken. It is a tough scene to watch but a good scene. He lashes out at things instead of people so it makes sense to me that he would act like this . His feelings are so powerful for Maddie it's a shame how they changed in season 5. But that's a different story .
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Post by graycav56 on Jul 6, 2006 15:29:55 GMT -5
I don't have any inside info, of course, but BMW made some cosmetic changes to the 635CSi around the time David went whacko in the garage. The most obvious change was to the bumpers. The "older" car had a heavier construction for the US market. The "newer" car had a design common to all 635's wherever they were sold. A quick visual check is to look at the side of the bumper in front of the front wheelwell. The older car had a thick black rub strip there, where the new car was mostly body color.
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Post by Mulberry on Jul 7, 2006 3:41:26 GMT -5
This just made me laugh!! So true! ;D Mul
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Post by haddie mayes on Jul 7, 2006 3:55:45 GMT -5
I think that the beemer was very much part of the show ( another character if you like in some ways)so much so that whenever i see a beemer i instantly think of Moonlighting.The car featured very heavily in the show, other than the office , it was where Maddie and David had most of they `little disagreements`and also in season 3 -where they made out! alot of the time. Maybe in a way the car symbolised they own little world and whilst they were in it Maddie and David felt as though they could say and do what ever they wanted with out consequence. And for that reason it makes it so hard for me to stomach why the writers had David making out with `she who must never be mentioned `in the beemer . I mean the David that we all knew and loved would never have made love to another woman in the same car that he had made loved to Maddie in not that long ago, especailly seeing that he and Maddie would be using the car for work afterwards the next day.Totally out of character!!
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Post by graycav56 on Jul 11, 2006 17:10:15 GMT -5
I must agree with your out of character statements. Let me set the stage here tough. I haven't seen the series since its original run in the 80's, except for the DVDs as they come out. My memory (which obviously isn't as good as it used to be) was that both David and Maddie started getting way out of character starting in the 4th season. Whether this was just that they were deviating from what my personal thoughts were on what their character would do or if it was an actual change in persona, I think we can always discuss.
Regardless, I thought the destruction of the Bimmer was a tad over the top, even for a pissed off David. One or two smacks maybe, but damn Dave!
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Post by adyjdy on Sept 15, 2006 11:22:09 GMT -5
I can definitely see your point about this being out of character. I mean he goes from blinding rage to barely being able to hold his head up when goes into his office? Hmmm...
One more thing, the scene after the car where he psychs himself up to "perform" for the office workers, then does his set and then goes behind closed doors to be sad, rings so true to me. If anyone out there has been seriously depressed, you know smiling, "performing" even for a few seconds is just unbelievably draining. I really felt Dave here... poor guy.
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Post by lin212 on Sept 17, 2006 14:20:02 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the commentary from Ron Osborn, Jeff Reno and Allan Arkush regarding the BMW. They explained that the car was meant to symbolize David and Maddie's relationship. It really shows David's frame of mind after he discovered Maddie was gone.
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Post by rose35 on Sept 18, 2006 19:39:03 GMT -5
I haven't listened to the commentary yet but do you mean the writers meant their relationship was like a car wreak? Just wondered how they meant it. To me the car was a big part of their relationship/friendship i think. So much went on in the car. It really wasn't just Maddie's car. It was like both their car like in a marriage where you may share a car. JMO. I really felt bad for David that he had to destroy the car. But it's so funny how the repair shop was able to fix it like brand new again huh?
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Post by lin212 on Sept 19, 2006 7:08:52 GMT -5
Jeff and Ron really didn't explain in detail, so I guess it's a matter of interpretation. I somehow took it to mean that David was so angry with Maddie at this point that he wanted to lash out, hurt her and destroy the relationship. The only way he could do this was to demolish the car which, in his mind, symbolized their relationship.
In the commentary they also discuss how they acquired a second car to use in this scene since they really didn't want to destroy the real vehicle worth $40K. The found a car in Boston and got it at no cost (or maybe $2) because a dead body had been found in it and no one wanted the car. I think that is pretty neat.
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Post by graycav56 on Sept 20, 2006 10:37:18 GMT -5
Now that I received my season 4 DVDs I'll be sure to listen carefully to those comments about the Boston car. If you look at the car David was driving outside and compare it to the one destroyed in the garage you can see it is a different one, at least the front spoiler below the front bumper.
I restore old cars as a hobby. If they "didn't" destroy the original car I wonder what happened to it and if I could buy it to fix up. BMW 635 CSIs of that vintage go for about $3500-5K.
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Post by lin212 on Sept 20, 2006 13:07:22 GMT -5
You're right, graycav. Jeff and Ron point out that the real car was used in the driving scenes. The Boston car was only used in the garage. I was curious about one of the shots while David is driving. There is a point where the camera focuses on the speedometer. The mileage on the car is about 5800. With your expertise, does this look like the real speedometer on this car or is it just a shot of some random speedometer?
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Post by graycav56 on Sept 20, 2006 14:09:12 GMT -5
I was trying to paste a picture of a mid-80s speedo onto the forum here, but don't know how to do it. I'll confirm when I get home, but my recollection is that it was a valid speedo shot.
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Post by rose35 on Sept 20, 2006 19:26:16 GMT -5
This is why i love commentarys . You get to learn so many things you probably never would have known about without these dvd sets and commentarys. I always wondered about them crashing the car and how many cars did they have on hand. Very very cool. I actually have an 86 BMW 635 csi. I unfortunatley can't keep it and have to sell it. It looks a little different then the one they drove. But i love it and am sad i have to try and sell it.
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