Well not sure what to give this episode. I guess a 6 at least since i listened to the amazing commentary it made me like the episode a little bit more. I love the interaction between Maddie and her parents. I love the Bert and David scenes, the stortyline wasn't that bad. It starts out so hopeful for David but gets so depressing as time goes on. You just feel for him so much(well at least i do). Bruce really rose to the occasion and proved what an amazing actor he was( and still is IMHO) How could i forget the amazing phone call between M/D, (yes it was sad but you could feel them together in the room) and of course the powerful BMW crash scene spoke volumes of how David felt for Maddie. He is so lost w/o her. Ok changed my mind 7.
I have to agree with Rose that my opinion changed after hearing the commentary. I suppose I was a complete dope and never really caught the connection between the BMW and the relationship. I used to feel that he just bashed that car to pieces because he was pissed at the situation, not transferring the symbolism. Now it is clear. I think I learn something from every episode I watch now, having not seen them for so long.
I am disappointed that they do not have more commentaries. Heck, I'd be satisfied with more of the fan discussion like some of the ladies on the board did with The Straight Poop! They did a GREAT job!
I guess I shouldn't complain too much, since the other 80s show I am getting on DVD, Magnum PI, doesn't have any extras at all. Nada. Zip. The Null and Empty Set.
Wow, I really disagree on the claymation. I thought it was pretty innovative and the likeness of Maddie and the way they captured the nuances of David as the frog I thought were spot on!
Perhaps I am jaded by remembering all the off stage nonsense going on at this time. It was pretty apparent that they were going to have to do some creative shuffling to get M&D together somehow, and I saw this as something completely out of the bun.
Either that, or maybe I like cartoons too much. Yea, that's probably it.
I am going to have to agree with Graycav on the Claymation.
I think it was genius.......first of all, claymation was hot, hot, hot at this time, and was just another way that ML proved it was cutting edge.
Secondly, it is almost spooky how well a likeness of Bruce Willis/David Addison that frog turns out to be. Even now, the green eyes in that frog are just plain spooky -- and from someone who has seen those eyes up close......they are spot on!
I also think they did a great job with Cybill/Maddie.
Post by maddieaddisonjr on Apr 14, 2007 12:07:31 GMT -5
I gave this a 7 and liked it much much better than the thoroughly depressing "A Trip to the Moon." While I do feel badly for David, Bruce is just amazing to watch bringing the character's angst to life. And he sure is looking hotter than ever in this season! My, my, my… .
I can sympathize a little more with our heroine but I still think she's a d*m* fool to leave David - temporarily or not. What kind of way is that to deal with a relationship? Even if she comes back to him, is this what he has to look forward to from her every time life gets difficult? She’s had 2½ years to ‘think’ so I guess the answer is ‘no’ and she just needs to set our boy free. She was childish to run away from her man and her business without a word. And while I said I could sympathize a little more, her words and actions are very disappointing. This seems like a new weaker Maddie. Where is 'seasons 1 and 2' Madolyn? I miss her.
Well, I’m definitely biased because I wasn’t upset that David wrecked her car. Actually I was laughing! It wasn’t really funny because the scene was intense, especially with that song. Plus, he could have gotten badly hurt!
I liked the claymation because it was cute and gave us some D/M interaction.
Agnes jamming to Rod Stewart! ;D ....Need I say more?
I enjoyed the new case with John Goodman and the buddy chemistry developing between David and Bert. I actually didn’t miss Maddie being involved.
How about that angsty ending with David peeking at the phone? Heartbreaker.
I give this one a 6. I might have given it less, but the commentary did make me appreciate it a bit more especially the claymation.
Eventhough it is frustrating having Maddie in Chicago, I really do like the scenes with her parents. I think her father's desperate desire to know what is going on with her and help her is just wonderfully portrayed by Robert Webber throughout this arc. And I love the way he is balanced by Eva Marie Saint's knowing, hands-off mom approach. I 100% believe these two people are Maddie's parents. She clearly is a mix of her mother's grace and beauty and her father's temper and impatience. The scene where Mr. Hayes goes on about David being such a character is wonderful, as you can tell that Maddie's mom already gets that Maddie is running away from David and she's only been home five minutes.
One thing I really hate about this episode though is the emotionally manipulative set-up of good David and bad Maddie. They start the episode with David making this huge deal about how swell the date went in front of Agnes and later the whole staff, just to make Maddie's leaving town that much crueler since it now means she didn't just leave his side of the bed cold for a few weeks but also humiliated him in front of the office too boot. This feels like a lot more than just the usual David bravado, a lot more than the "she needs time to recover to walk straight" routine in front of the guys, particularly in his talk to Agnes where he says he got her. Anyone who watched the prior episode knows nothing could be further from the truth, since he barely gets her to reconsider not dumping him outright. It's just a way of laying it on thick that David is 100% committed and willing to sacrifice his feelings and Maddie is confused and selfish.
But I do give the scene some kudos for the truly awesome line about witnessing the "Decline and Fall of the Roamin' Addison." Too bad that line couldn't have been used in a happier moment. I guess the line turned ought to be freighted with multiple layers of meaning. The end of the Roamin' Addison really was destined to be a Decline and Fall.
Post by maddieaddisonjr on Dec 9, 2007 21:32:40 GMT -5
I no longer think as far as this episode is concerned that Maddie is the ‘bad guy,’ nor do I blame her for leaving. I don’t think it’s a good thing and of course I would prefer that she and David hash it all out together. Let it get messy if necessary but deal with it in-person. But Maddie said she needs to deal with it her way – to get away from Dave’s megawatt personality so she can think. Well, she didn’t say exactly that but it’s what she meant I’m sure.
I loved the phone call. All that emoting was sad but yummy!
I have to wonder if Mr. Hayes by his comments about David didn’t actually have a little suspicion that there was something going on between him and Maddie.
Okay, ummm…Maddie’s gone for a couple days and David smashes her car? How many days - two, three? I said in my first post that I thought it was funny. Not this time. Good acting by Bruce of course but that scene was kinda Darth Vaderish. It’s just been a few days, dude. I know he misses her very much already and that he feels she’s in a sense rejecting him. I know he was upset thinking he was responsible for how the case ended. But driving like a maniac through the streets and wrecking Maddie’s car was waayy out there even for David. Lack of emotional control like that is scary!
I gave this episode a 6. It was actually a 5 but it got an extra bonus for the really great commentary.
This episode continues the downfall of the series that started on "To Heiress Human" by capitalizing on the emotional rollercoaster set in "A trip to the moon". David is totally unaware of Maddie's escape to Chicago and even worse thinks that "he got her", which is of course far from it.
I find it hard to believe that David is in such an upbeat mood after the previous night, since it was quite clear - to me at least - that the laundromat date was not a success. At the end of the laundromat scene, we see David left alone as Maddie declares that she is not capable of this kind of relationship. In every possible way Maddie did not approve the relationship they had and in "A trip to the moon" was IMHO pretty clear that she dumped him. I cannot understand how this smart and streetwise man David Addison did not get it then and thought that "he got her".
Which brings me back to what graycav wrote earlier: this was an intentional move - to make David completely lovefool and kinda of a lovepuppy - by the writers (probably Glen) to prepare the situation of Maddie acting like a bitch and David like a martyr.
The commentary was extremely on spot here: Glen wrote the first 5 episodes of season 4 and - according to his comments on "A trip to the moon" - he did not know (or maybe did) what he was doing. So, in my mind he carries the full responsibility for the disaster to come, because he set up the scene for the downfall. This brings in mind what was written elsewhere in this forum that maybe Glen worked subconsciously against Cybill/Maddie, due to the off-screen conflicts that took place back then.
I understand that David and Maddie have to be separated - due to Cybill's pregnancy and Bruce's film carrier - but this bitch/martyr set-up could have been avoided by simply "keep 'em together" via other means (phone, letters) e.tc. Just look how much the screen sparkles when they talk over the phone - even if they're not there at the same time - I'm sure Glen could use more of that (and in more naughtier style ), in order to keep in touch with the quirky Moonlighting style.
Of course, my male brain cannot understand the logic between Maddie's run-away to Chicago, since for three years we saw an invulnerable vulnerable woman that could manage anything that was thrown at her, using her brain, logic and heart; Maddie has ethos, at least we thought she had from the first three seasons. I cannot explain this reaction; after all she declared many times that she cared for the agency (and David) and want this to work only to run away at the first difficulty? It just doesn't make sense to me.
The rest episode was OK, the case was nice and portrayed nicely a parallel storyline that relates to the relationship of our heroes, only that this story had a happy ending. Bert and Agnes were entertaining and they surely helped David during this time.
I like Jimmy Hendrix and I couldn't agree more with Bruce demanding "Manic Depression" to be used during the BMW crash scene; the song clearly demonstrates David's feelings and the whole scene is very powerful. I would go further by saying that although the destruction of the BMW symbolizes the destruction of their relationship - or whatever David thought they had - maybe David was in such an unstable state of mind (a Maniac's Depressed state of mind) that he hurt so much he wanted to kill himself inside the BMW; inside the relationship that was built for three years and it turned out to be untrue. That's why he says "stupid, stupid" after the garage scene, when he enters his office; because at this point he realizes that the relationship ended and it was foolish of him to get killed for this woman. I know that this might not feel well to many of us here, but two episodes later, he sleeps with another woman, so this explains why
I know I'm pessimistic, but that's how I feel for what's going on with my favourite show; it's not Moonlighting anymore and I'm not saying it because I always expect them to banter, but because the balance between our heroes is severely compromised. When something loses balance, it's only a matter of time to fail.
P.S: I strongly agree that Maddie and David having sex was not a JTS moment, but after that the writing lost the balance between our heroes, which was something that could have been avoided if the whole situation was handled differently.
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