I guess it could be, but I always took that line to reference David's frustration that Maddie wouldn't openly admit to the relationship. David's next line is "Why doesn't anybody know about us? We've been doing what we've been doing for 4 weeks now and nobody knows about us - not even the great DiPesto!" David is hurt because Maddie won't acknowledge their relationship. Remember that he says he thinks she is embarrassed by it. Top that with all of Maddie's chatter about where the relationship is going. I don't think she would have asked that question if David had proposed. Just my opinion...
Post by honeyblondenoggin on Sept 7, 2007 14:43:02 GMT -5
Lin ~ I never thought of that line that way, either. But I think it is an interesting way to look at the line. You're right, it doesn't make all that much sense in terms of the whole "where is the relationship going" storyline. But, I always did think the word "commit" was an odd choice. Commitment isn't the right word to describe Maddie's lack of acknowledgement about the relationship. And when davidsmaddie brought up the (phantom) proposal, it kinda sorta sounded plausable.
On second thought, maybe it doesn't work. See, if they just would have shown us loyal ML fans the actual proposal, rather than teasing us with its reference in "Father" then we wouldn't have to keep supposing
The easy answer is that there never was a proposal at the time, but that the writers took "liberties" and added one in after the fact. Putting that aside, it seems to me that the most opportune time for the off-screen proposal would have been during the 5 missing hours of their date (9:00 PM - 2:00 AM). We have no idea what they did or said, but it is entirely possible that David proposed in response to Maddie's "where is the relationship going" dilemma. If so, then David's arguments in the laundromat could be considered his attempt to convince Maddie that they belong together. It also could explain Maddie's comment upon leaving the laundromat - "I know you want an answer", even though I always took that as a reference to the relationship in general and not a marriage proposal.
In the next episode, we hear David tell Agnes about the "decline and fall of the roamin' Addison" and then in the claymation scene, Maddie argues that "a no-account irresponsible legend in your own mind like you has no place even dreaming of a future with the likes of me. As a matter of fact, how could you even get off asking if we..." Could these be references to a proposal? Possibly. IMHO, it seems that the proposal, if there were one, would have occurred during those 5 hours, not earlier.
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Post by honeyblondenoggin on Sept 10, 2007 8:48:20 GMT -5
Lin, you've given this subject a moment or two of thought, huh??? I'm not making fun, I've given this a bit of thought myself.
However, you've nailed it. The dialogue you refer to completely can be taken in the light of a marriage proposal. I have often wondered about Maddie's choice of words "I know you want an answer." I remember the very first time I watched the episode, thinking, "An answer?? What was the question!!!!!" thinking that sounded like Maddie when she wouldn't give Sam an answer either.
But I have also wondered if at some point while Maddie was in Chicago, if David somehow proposed when he heard about the baby. Just because the way David tells her dad about it, the context of the conversation was in terms of David taking "responsibility" for the unborn child (that may or may not be his). But your supposition is completely plausible. And now I have to fold some laundry tonight and watch the Trip to the Moon episode and watch that scene in light of your idea
honey, you already know that I am one of those "essed" words when it comes to ML, so I guess it's no surprise that I occasionally do become analytical about some of these things. Anyway, back to the possibility of David proposing when she is in Chicago, it could be. David finds out about the baby, calls her and says that he is coming to Chicago, abruptly hanging up the phone. The next scene he is hauled off to the pokey where he remains until the night before he has the conversation with Mr. Hayes. David comes home from his stint in prison and listens to the messages on the answering machine. He hears Maddie tell him she loves him. We could assume that he called her back and asked her then. That would have been his only window of opportunity before seeing Mr. Hayes the next morning, but it doesn't seem likely because when David is talking to Mr. Hayes in the restaurant, it doesn't feel as if David has spoken to her. He only references the message on the answering machine - that is, Maddie telling him that she loves him because he didn't show up in Chicago.
So much for this topic - I think I've beaten it to death.
I was also wondering about the timing of that night. First David was suppose to pick her up at 7:30. I doubt he would be late for the date but then Maddie says it is after 9. They couldn't have been talking and arguing for that long. Oh and in LA there must be movie showings after 9.. And then they leave Maddie's house a little bit later and it takes then 5 hours to get to the laundromat! This entire episode makes no sense! What were they doing for 5 hours..(sex?) and you mean to tell me they couldn't find a place to eat in LA??? You don't need reservations for every restaurant in the city! This is just pure nonsense! and LA things stay open late it isn't like Kansas or something...