nazel
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Post by nazel on Jul 6, 2008 16:01:14 GMT -5
I don't know what you guys liked about it! Maddie just became this unfeeling unconsiderate crazy woman, David should've put some sense into her, he should've left & made her see how much she needs him .. If I were him I'd give that bitch a piece of my mind lol! I have no sympathy for her whatsover !!! I gave this a 5
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Post by stayedinmostly on Apr 7, 2011 6:46:56 GMT -5
I never watched the show with the same intensity or conviction after this episode. Seeing it again after all these years brought the melancholy right back. This is precisely how I feel - it's just painful. Watching it again after such a long time, even knowing what was coming, was awful. It made me remember why I fell out of love with and drifted away from ML: the Walter storyline was a betrayal of the fundamental premise of the relationship - that no matter how much David and Maddie annoyed or offended each other, they always ultimately cared about the other's feelings. Without that, you are just watching two people being mean to each other; why bother? GGC has said in interviews that at the time of ML he didn't know how to write a television series. In this case I think it meant that there was no overarching plan for the progress of the romance over several seasons, which left the writers digging a hole for themselves during season 4 which they couldn't climb out of. But up until then, it was probably this same lack of knowledge that had given the show such freshness and energy. If Walter was the price we had to pay in order to have the best bits of ML then I suppose I can just about live with that.
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witness
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Post by witness on Apr 8, 2011 0:34:11 GMT -5
Recently I downloaded a Moonlighting clip montage that includes the final scene in Maddie's office and possibly the two worst lines in the show's history: "David, I'm married" and "It's not yours." The tone with which Maddie says the latter sounds insensitive and cold, only because she's ticked that he's mocking her. Tragic. When I know it's coming, my whole body tenses up and my face gets stuck in wince-mode.
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Post by diane on Apr 8, 2011 2:01:28 GMT -5
Witness...those are mean lines, but I still have to go with 'Get out of my bed" as the worst line ever. Who would have thunk it......David lays claim to the nastiest, meanest, most thoughtless sentence ever....at least in my opinion.
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Post by Hazel on Apr 8, 2011 5:51:36 GMT -5
Witness...those are mean lines, but I still have to go with 'Get out of my bed" as the worst line ever. Who would have thunk it......David lays claim to the nastiest, meanest, most thoughtless sentence ever....at least in my opinion. That was the worst. The "desperate" line was pretty lousy too. He had a number of below the belt lines during that nasty period. I'll never understand where they came from. One thing about that "Get out of my bed" line that worked was Maddie's retort "I have no interest in being in your bed." Cybill's level yet withering delivery was pitch perfect. 1000% presence. No, I don't like seeing them being so cruel to each other, but he had it coming after that remark.
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Post by beesnbears on Apr 8, 2011 8:03:32 GMT -5
Ugh...it's official....I'm now depressed....
I'm thinking at this point (after the "get out of my bed" "I have no interest being in your bed" meaness) writers, producers, etc., were too busy jumping off the runaway train to really CARE what was happening to the relationship of Maddie and David or the downfall of their character.
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Post by rose35 on Apr 8, 2011 8:22:02 GMT -5
Witness...those are mean lines, but I still have to go with 'Get out of my bed" as the worst line ever. Who would have thunk it......David lays claim to the nastiest, meanest, most thoughtless sentence ever....at least in my opinion. That was the worst. The "desperate" line was pretty lousy too. He had a number of below the belt lines during that nasty period. I'll never understand where they came from. One thing about that "Get out of my bed" line that worked was Maddie's retort "I have no interest in being in your bed." Cybill's level yet withering delivery was pitch perfect. 1000% presence. No, I don't like seeing them being so cruel to each other, but he had it coming after that remark. UGH yup i'm mad now! LOL I agree Diane : worst line ever spoken by David in the whole series, was down right horrible & so mean & cruel & want me to go on? But yes Hazel is right, Maddies retort how much it hurts too is she got him back. For 2 people who so loved each other & it came to that . Hate that the writers came up with it!GRRRR!
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witness
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Post by witness on Apr 9, 2011 4:20:34 GMT -5
Well ladies, I knew I'd be called on this, but since it is a "Tracks of My Tears" thread, my mind was solely focused on lines in this episode. Notice also that I said "possibly." I have to agree . . . the line you mention is not just mean--it's downright ugly.
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myfairdavid
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Post by myfairdavid on Apr 12, 2011 13:36:40 GMT -5
Recently I downloaded a Moonlighting clip montage that includes the final scene in Maddie's office and possibly the two worst lines in the show's history: "David, I'm married" and "It's not yours." The tone with which Maddie says the latter sounds insensitive and cold, only because she's ticked that he's mocking her. Tragic. When I know it's coming, my whole body tenses up and my face gets stuck in wince-mode. Ugh, I just re-watched Tracks and oh, what a downer. I did like the dream scene with David, and the part when she comes into the office and sees David in the doorway...then, it all goes from there. She keeps telling everyone it's not David's baby. Did she know FOR SURE that it wasn't David's baby? I don't get it. All indications in Season four point to Sam being the father. But, then comes Womb. Maybe in Womb they decided to put David in that family album because he agreed to help Maddie with the baby, being sort of like a father to the baby. I don't know. I wish they would clarify all of that.
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Post by maddieaddisonjr on Apr 3, 2016 21:40:58 GMT -5
GGC has said in interviews that at the time of ML he didn't know how to write a television series. In this case I think it meant that there was no overarching plan for the progress of the romance over several seasons, which left the writers digging a hole for themselves during season 4 which they couldn't climb out of. After rewatching TOMT yet again recently: I just find the info in this quote hard to digest. Who is hired to write a TV series who doesn't think they know how? And then taking the job, how are you not able to plan a story arc for your characters based on how the relationship is unfolding before your very eyes, even if you didn't originally have a clue? As early as the Pilot I could see the obvious seeds planted for where David and Maddie would eventually arrive - as a romantic couple. They challenged each other and made each other grow and stretch as people which despite their frequent conflicts was a good foundation for a relationship, if they would ever decide to meet each other half-way. It's just weird to read here and there that some of the folks producing this show didn't think it was believable that a woman like Maddie Hayes would ever become involved with a man like David Addison. Never; really? Okay then, how interesting would this show have been if Sam Crawford and Maddie Hayes were the leads but the premise basically the same. Sam was stereotypically the kind of guy Maddie would go for. And how interesting would watching that relationship unfold and watching them solve cases together have been? That's right. Not interesting at all. As I said some years ago I think on the Sam and Dave forum, watching Maddie and Sam kiss on Maddie's bed was about as thrilling as watching paint dry. For TV viewing, seeing opposites attract and come together is much more entertaining and dramatic than witnessing the easy birds of a feather thing. I appreciate what Glenn Caron created but the follow through is even more important than the great start. So I really don't understand how by the time of season 4 - pregnancy, injuries, writer's strike or not - he suddenly didn't know to write the progression - and not the regression - of David and Maddie's relationship. And it should have been required that newer writers watch the show from the beginning so they would know who these characters were and how to write them properly. All I can say all these years later is thank God for visionary fanfic!
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Post by beesnbears on Apr 18, 2016 15:51:58 GMT -5
maddiej
Can't tell you how many times I've thought about this. I think it all goes back to the many factors involved at the time.....time constraints, rewrites, GGC leaving, feuding costars.....
Also, in earlier interviews it seems GGC tended to walk the fence on certain issues as to why he left. In more recent ones he seems a little more open to what went on. Can't tell you where I've read or listened, but perhaps you could google the topic......actually I believe Redroom Podcast has a great interview with him from the last year or so, but I think there was one even more recent than that.
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Post by bertviola on Nov 1, 2018 17:29:39 GMT -5
I gave this one an 8. Most people seem to "hate" season 4 for all the drama and how it became more and more like a soap opera and maybe they're right. I only caught Moonlighting on Youtube in 2013 or 2014 and currently re-watch it for the third time, but I always liked season 4 and thought it had some of the best episodes. Sure, the whole Walter thing is very unusual and they could have written it differently. But they didn't. What I hate more than putting it in is how quickly they write him out of the show again(and Terri). If you bring Dave and Maddie back together(sort of), why just let it end in a dead end? Instead of Maddie marrying Walter, why couldn't she have stopped by Sam's place and married him for instance? It would have been infuriating too, but at least it would have made some sense. Later on(say after half a season or one season), Sam or Dave could have ended up in the hospital and they would find out that actually David was the dead(and Maddie and him get back together). Meanwhile, Dave could have been discovering how things would go with Terri maybe. There would have been lots of options.
But was this jerk move really so not Maddie? In a way, yes, but her whole behavior up to this point and through the seasons somehow pointed a bit toward it, didn't it? Maddie was always sort of selfish and seems to be the kind of woman who (to quote a Rock Hudson movie): "Women never know what they want. Until a man comes along and tells her".
And why do we never get a reaction of Maddie's parents about her spontaneous marriage? Especially after Dave's great speech and some of the stuff they told their daughter, I think she would have been in for some decent scolding by her folks(and rightly so). Instead of Dave waiting for her all this time, I really would have liked to see her go through the same agony for a season or so. Maybe that could have been the push she needed to finally meet him half way.
Ah, I'm just so sad this show ended:(. I wish I was a billionaire and could just re-hire the whole cast and give them a blanque check and full creative control to make another gazillion seasons(as long as they keep that great feel Moonlighting always had, which might be hard to recapture, since at least for me, a lot of it was the 80's Zeitgeist).
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Post by ryangie97 on Feb 25, 2019 16:04:03 GMT -5
I don’t remember what I originally rated this one don’t know how to rate it now. This is the first time I’ve watched this one in its entirety in several years. I always said this was the jump the shark moment for me. I still remember when it aired being so upset. After months of waiting to get our favorite duo back together, we get Maddie saying she’s married☹️ I think i Said this on another thread here somewhere but it really felt like a punch to the gut. Still feels that way. I'll continue on and see if I still feel this was the moment for me or if it comes later. Ok what I like about the episode is the hot dream sequence, David and Maddie seeing each other for the first time. Oh that was so good. Love David’s line before he storms about about Maddie being nuts! I agree with David completely certifiably nuts! Wish I could quote his whole line here but don’t have it at the moment. And her insistence that he say something nice about it?? Just extra cruel. Ok done venting for now.
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