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Post by Hazel on Sept 30, 2006 13:08:48 GMT -5
I know we've started another thread below on the "softness" comment from the commentary, but I thought I'd start a catch-all thread to discuss all aspects of it, as it seems to be a popular topic here and elsewhere.
I just listened to it last night for the first time, and couldn't help but feel some sadness about the show and its cast/staff. The episode itself is one of the stronger ones of the later seasons, and shows that despite everything, they could pull together and make good things happen. Without knowing what transpires from here forward, one would be left with some hope for Maddie and David and the show in general. Unfortunately, the writing becomes increasingly lost and meandering punctuated with fits and starts of gestures alternating between reconciliation and nastiness, and the viewer is left to wonder what the hell happened. How did it get so bad?
Listening to Cybill and Roger, there were clearly deep feelings of regret about what transpired, as if they were watching the footage of a disaster that they lived through, and knew all too well what the ending would be.
Being a mom of two little ones, I felt for what Cybill must have endured during that time (I honestly don't have a clue as to how she did it, though). I also was touched by her sadness at never being able to recapture the magic again.
For the first time I really began to want her and Bruce to work together again, to attempt to heal not just the legacy of Moonlighting but the relationships among people that were so devastated by what happened. More than that, I wanted Bruce to want to work with Cybill again on whatever, because it seems there's a lot of negative karma out there that still needs fixing. No one should have to live with so many regrets, especially when it concerns such a tremendous and powerful piece of their work and life history.
The one bright spot was Roger and Cybill telling each other they loved each other. Roger is a very thoughtful and generous man to reach out to Cybill in that way at a moment when I think she really needed it. I have the utmost respect for him because of it. Thank you Roger Director.
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Post by rose35 on Sept 30, 2006 20:38:41 GMT -5
Love this episode, love this commentary! Cybill is awesome! Roger Director was great! Loved the honesty and true emotions that both displayed during the commentary. I too am mom to twins so i so understand what Cybill went through. It did make me sad to that the show wasn't able to go on longer than it did even just to give the right type of closure. And i too wish Bruce and Cybill would work together again.
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Post by Tamm on Oct 1, 2006 9:50:27 GMT -5
For the first time I really began to want her and Bruce to work together again, to attempt to heal not just the legacy of Moonlighting but the relationships among people that were so devastated by what happened. More than that, I wanted Bruce to want to work with Cybill again on whatever, because it seems there's a lot of negative karma out there that still needs fixing. No one should have to live with so many regrets, especially when it concerns such a tremendous and powerful piece of their work and life history. The one bright spot was Roger and Cybill telling each other they loved each other. Roger is a very thoughtful and generous man to reach out to Cybill in that way at a moment when I think she really needed it. I have the utmost respect for him because of it. Thank you Roger Director. This was a great commentary to listen to. I agree with everything you say Hazel. Until now I thought Bruce and Cybill working together (at least in a Moonlighting related thing) would be wrong but now I am not so sure. I think its been said elsewhere but season 5 DVDs may be a good opportunity for this. I also enjoyed hearing Roger's support for Cybill after she was pretty much ignored in other commentaries.
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Post by haddie mayes on Oct 1, 2006 12:08:46 GMT -5
This is something that i could never understand or accept. Bruce and Cybill never working together. It`s been over 16 years since Moonlighting was cancelled ( i won`t say ended or finished because it never was in my mind ). Fair enough maybe peoples interest in Bruce and Cybill may have wained a bit as time past,( not in here of course, only out there! ) but why didn`t anything come about in those first few years after Moonlighting surely producers should have been queing round the block to harness that incredible chemistry . Now people must have put that down to ill feelings between Bruce and Cybill ,but according to BOTH of them it never got that bad especailly to the point of NEVER wanting to work with each other again. Another thing i can`t get my head around is the fact everyone is waiting for Glenn , the last time i looked both Cybill and Bruce were adults so they don`t need his permission to work together again because it DOESN`T have to be anything to do with David and Maddie or Moonlighting just so long as what ever it is gives them the chance to use all that sexual chemistry again!. ;D Yes i would absolutely LOVE to see David and Maddie again and have the proper ending that the show deserved but after 16 years of NOTHING between Bruce and Cybill i would take just about ANYTHING!
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Post by Veronica on Oct 2, 2006 6:25:41 GMT -5
I agree with you all totally!!! I love this episode and I love this commentary!!
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Post by Mulberry on Oct 3, 2006 3:55:03 GMT -5
I agree with all the comments above. The commentary was lovely, as it was good to hear someone being so nice to Cybill. I would love to see Bruce and Cybill work together again, without Glenn, but only for the very best scripts... something non moonlighting....
Mul
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Post by Johanna on Oct 5, 2006 7:48:19 GMT -5
I would love that too, as you said, them working together on anything! The commentary was really great, I just thought it was entertaining to hear them trying to figure out the story about whose baby it was and who the 'new' characters were. They finally understood how confused we viewers must be. Maybe it should have been a two-character-only show. jk.
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Post by lin212 on Oct 5, 2006 8:54:20 GMT -5
Picking up something you said, johanna... I know I am in the minority, but I was disappointed by some of Cybill's commentary. I feel that she should have done her homework beforehand as she did for her commentary on Every Daughter's Father is a Virgin (she stated that she had watched the episode the day before to prepare).
I know it has been 20 years, but I was disappointed by the fact that she seemed clueless as to where this episode fit into the story line. At first she couldn't remember if she really was still pregnant in the scene, then she didn't remember Walter Bishop's name, she seemed confused as to why everyone was saying that her baby wasn't David's and then thought that Terri and David were in a relationship. As I said, I know it has been 20 years and she has not watched these episodes hundreds of times (like some of us), but I thought she could have prepared better to actually comment on this episode rather than just reminisce on the difficulties they all endured during this time. Sorry, just my opinion...
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Post by Johanna on Oct 5, 2006 10:09:15 GMT -5
I actually agree with you on some points, lin. I think I was being a bit sarcastic before, and just pointed out the positive aspects of them not recalling much.
It felt like they never seen the episode since they shot it, and because of what people asked them in interwiews and stuff they expected it not to be good and kept on not watching it. It did upset me a bit that Roger claimed to know some of the story and still got it wrong when he 'explained' it to her. Other than that, I liked it a lot. I want to hear everything there is to know about this show and that includes both the good and the bad.
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Post by willisgirl on Oct 12, 2006 1:29:42 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the commentary. The thing that got to me is that when Cybill said, while talking about Glenn and the Moonlighting Reunion and how people have questioned her whether there's ever going to be a reunion movie. Apparently Glenn's responce to Cybill is "If I could find a way to do it, I would, or along those lines. Maybe he's quite busy with Medium. Cybill did say that she's love to work with Bruce again. And the 4 main characters are still with us, touch wood. Maddie, David, Bert & Agnes, I mean.
Here's a thought .... maybe we Moonlighting Fans should get petition Glenn!! We FINALLY got the DVD's and over 20 years.
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Post by graycav56 on Feb 12, 2007 18:18:51 GMT -5
Gotta back Lin on this one folks. I think Cybill came into this episode commentary completely unprepared, and that was kind of unexpected. I felt she had a good handle on the other ones she had done. Perhaps they changed the episode on her at the last minute or something came up that kept her from going in prepped, but whatever the reason, she was not on track.
That being said, I think that the insight she and Roger gave and the honesty both of them displayed was super. While I said in another post that I thought the entire Walter story line was where the show "Jumped the Shark", if they would have taken another path after THIS show, they would have been able to keep it off the iceberg. As we all know, it did not go as well as we had all hoped.
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Post by honeyblondenoggin on Jun 7, 2007 22:13:19 GMT -5
I just listened to this commentary tonight, and I'm sorry to say (and sad to report ) that I was really disappointed in it, for the many reasons described above, as well as I think she came off here (as well as the other commentaries) as pretty negative and complaining a lot. Not that she didn't have a right to, but, I don't know, I just didn't want to hear that. Part of it also sounds like she's just so sad ("What can I say, I *am* sad."). And that's a little depressing. And, for me, I really DON'T want to see Cybill and Bruce do anything else. All I'd be doing is watching them and WISH it was Moonlighting. For me, anyway, it would just be too distracting. For me, for them, it's ML or nothing. Just my 2ยข, for what it's worth.
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 27, 2007 12:08:37 GMT -5
WOW!! I just watched the commentary for the first time with this episode. I totally agree with Hazel. There is so much emotion and a lot of regret that Cybill and Roger Director expressed.
I think we can all learn a lesson about making the most of every situation or opportunity given to us because we never know how things will turn out later. The actors certainly did, IMO, until the very last show.
And yes, it really makes me want to see Cybill and Bruce back together in a feature movie. There is obviously a lot of feelings about Moonlighting from writers, directors, actors and CRAZY FANS like me that it would just be a shame not to get them all back together. And I believe they can recapture the magic from the show.
Everyone has done and said things that they regret in their past. Hopefully, most get to make amends or simply move on. It is part of life. It is sad that this has not happened for all involved with Moonlighting.
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Post by mackidockie on Aug 24, 2011 22:16:21 GMT -5
Fair enough maybe peoples interest in Bruce and Cybill may have wained a bit as time past,( not in here of course, only out there! ) but why didn`t anything come about in those first few years after Moonlighting surely producers should have been queing round the block to harness that incredible chemistry . Now people must have put that down to ill feelings between Bruce and Cybill ,but according to BOTH of them it never got that bad especailly to the point of NEVER wanting to work with each other again. Another thing i can`t get my head around is the fact everyone is waiting for Glenn , the last time i looked both Cybill and Bruce were adults so they don`t need his permission to work together again because it DOESN`T have to be anything to do with David and Maddie or Moonlighting just so long as what ever it is gives them the chance to use all that sexual chemistry again!. ;D Yes i would absolutely LOVE to see David and Maddie again and have the proper ending that the show deserved but after 16 years of NOTHING between Bruce and Cybill i would take just about ANYTHING! ITA! I would take ANYTHING with the two of them together again. Just to see them banting at each other again would make my year. And I still don't understand how people can honestly think they hated each other? Seriously? Just because they fought and expressed their point of views, they hated each other? That's ridiculous! To me, it's pretty obvious it never got that bad between them. If that were the case the chemistry wouldn't have ended until the end. It would have been like Remington Steele. There, the hate was pretty obvious, unfortunately.
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Post by missingmymoonlight on Jun 11, 2012 22:24:01 GMT -5
I felt sorry for Cybill when I listened to her commentary. I think she must have recorded it after her autobiography came out. I think this because she does not take much responsibility for her own off-putting or unprofessional behavior in the book -- regarding ML or anything else. In "Cybill Disobedience" she relates angry confrontations with GGC and, unlike in the commentary, IMHO, unresolved bitterness. She's older now. Wiser. And I think genuinely dismayed by (haunted by?) the many shenanigans of MANY folks that went into the untimely demise of our:) show. She did say one thing toward the end of the commentary track that bothered me -- maybe in jest to be fair. Paraphrasing, she said that GGC said he couldn't figure out how to resurrect ML and she said to ROGER DIRECTOR something along the lines of "who needs him?". To which Roger nervously laughed. Well, the script would need Glenn for one thing. And for another getting Bruce to do it is almost thoroughly dependent on Glenn's involvement, not to mention his blessing as the two remain very close friends. Geez...such a long post! I am still so hung up on this show 25 years after it left the air!@#!! I wish with all my heart the moonbeams could be revisited on us mere mortals once again. But deep down I doubt it. MOONLIGHTING was lightning in a bottle. It is going to be next to impossible to create that type of magic again.
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