Were They together or Not?

[davidsmaddie]

This was always a point of contention for me. In this episode are they 'together". If so, then why isn't it Baby Addison? They must be if Maddie says David "would have made a great father but lousy husband". Just thought i'd ask.

[Johanna]

I think they called the baby Hayes because the only thing known for sure was that it was Maddie's baby. And being the independent woman she is she wouldn't count on a man always being there for her and the baby.
They had sort of agreed on raising the baby together, in And The Flesh Was Made Word David and Maddie make up plans for going to lamaze classes together and everything. If they were together or not I'm not sure.. but if I'd take a guess I guess they had hopes of taking it slow and getting together for real later on, but for now focus on the baby.

[rose35]

It does make you wonder how together they were. In the end of ATFWMW they kiss and then plan to take lamaze classes together. Did they ever get to do that? Here in this episode David is looking for some sexy nanny? Ok maybe that is like the old David before he got seroius with Maddie but if he was together with her would Maddie want him looking at other women like that. Ah so many things left for us to wonder about.

[Frontier]

I do not think they were together anymore, at least romantically involved.

David was right there for Maddie, in order to help and support her with the baby, but no way he was "with" her anymore. I think they were romantically "over" during "Father Knows Last", where David did admit to Mr. Hayes that he cares for his daughter, but it was all over between them ("all this madness", as he referred to their relationship).

Did anyone else notice - and I take the opportunity to write this after seing the beautiful signature rose35 has - that during season 4, both Maddie and David never say "Good" after "Fine"? They only keep yelling each other "Fine", "Fine" but it's nothing no longer good for them

Kinda symbolic, isn't it?

[honeyblondenoggin]

Frontier ~ Wow, they never say "good" after their "fine" in season 5? I never noticed? Though I try hard to not voluntarily watch season 5 (except for ML quote research purposes )

The question of were they together or not, the key word there is really "together." What does "together" mean? I don't think they were romantically involved, I guess maybe more because Maddie was pregnant, I would imagine that David might not want to "get horizonty" with a preggo But I think they, well, HE wasn't hooking up with other women during this time, so you could take that as D&M still being "together."

I do think they took some Lamaze classes, I don't know exactly at what point in the pregnancy that the miscarriage/stillbirth happened. Maybe they didn't finish the classes or maybe they were in the middle of them.

As for "all the silicone in the outer office" that's just David being David. He might not be boinking anyone else, but he's still gonna look. There could be a bright, shiny wedding band on his finger, and he's still gonna look

I think David's admission to Mr. Hayes about "all this craziness" being over was more his chasing of Maddie rather than the relationship. He was done chasing, Maddie was going to have to make the next move.

So, in conclusion (and IMHO) I do think D&M were "couple" or "in a relationship," whatever that means with these two I actually think that the focus, though, was on the baby rather on themselves, a diversion (so to speak) so they didn't have to deal with what was going on between the two of them. When they lost the baby, note how things rapidly deteriorated because there wasn't this other issue for which divert their attention.

[lin212]

honey, I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. I think they were a couple, but I think their focus was on the baby, especially for David. Remember how he said he would be there for her and help her through it? I think that David was finished chasing Maddie - she had hurt him terribly, so he was more cautious in the relationship. In this episode, for me the only sign of closeness was Maddie putting her arms around David when dancing. The look she gives him is loving. After the miscarriage/stillbirth, it seemed as if Maddie was looking for assurances from David that he would still be there - that they weren't over.

By the way, I think the last "fine" "fine" "good" "good" we hear is just before the slaps in IACM. I wish we had more of them.

[rose35]

Thanks for the compliment on my sig lines! My beautiful banners were made by our beautiful Jo I love the Fine/ Good lines so much! Wow i never picked up that they never say it again in the last season or 2, how sad
Ah this has all made me sad again reading about this epi and if they were together or not. I so love how they dance together in it , it seemed very loving between the 2 of them at that moment but of course it doesn't last long. The baby should have been born and hardly used then on screen , like most shows do wih kids , but it would have been the bond to hold them together . Oh well........

[maddieaddisonjr]

I agree that they were focused on the baby for now but intended to take it slow at being a couple. At the end of Flesh/Made/Word it seemed clear to me that they still loved each other romantically and that was the unspoken intention. I just don't understand why the miscarriage would end that. It's been discussed that the writers wanted to go back to the magic of the beginning by trying to erase all evidence of seriousness between these two (which backfired) but plotwise it makes no sense that they've fallen out of love after the scene at the end of Maddie Hayes Got Married.