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Post by rose35 on Apr 21, 2009 22:58:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Bruno's album sales show that Maddie was not alone in that reaction. And for the record, I STILL have my Return of Bruno cassette.....but I haven't had a cassette player since like 91. LMAO...I missed you guys~by the way...the avatar is award worthy I must say i missed you all last week too and i also LMAO quite a few times tonight reading all your wonderful posts, i think my hubby thinks i'm crazy LOL
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Post by rose35 on Apr 21, 2009 23:03:06 GMT -5
And I just have to make one comment about the laundromat scene.....chesseburgers-- HA! Why would Maddie be longing for the ordinary? This just doesn't ring true...they are not ordinary people. You got that right, diane. Maddie is NOT your cheeseburger kind of gal. OK i so dont get this either, Maddie wants to go have cheeseburgers with David? HUH? Maybe this coming from David yes but not Maddie. Never made sense. SO i'm going to ask this: In the scene with David /Terri at the diner/cheeseburger place in FA , when David mentions a woman i know doesnt see me as a burger type (i'm not sure of exact wording here) is that referring to this convo? Maddie is the fancy restaurant type no? UGH! LOL
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Post by rose35 on Apr 21, 2009 23:06:25 GMT -5
I just want to know what happened BEFORE the laundromat. At the house, Maddie says it's around 9 PM or so. At the laundromat, they indicate it is around 2 AM. What do you think went on? ROFL hmm i know what i wish went on , like they drove around awhile ,David decided to park somewhere for awhile and well the end of THH happened all over again LOL OK doubt that happened by it's fun to speculate LOL Probably they argued ALOT till they found the Launderomat.
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Post by jpen on Apr 21, 2009 23:34:13 GMT -5
I just want to know what happened BEFORE the laundromat. At the house, Maddie says it's around 9 PM or so. At the laundromat, they indicate it is around 2 AM. What do you think went on? ROFL hmm i know what i wish went on , like they drove around awhile ,David decided to park somewhere for awhile and well the end of THH happened all over again LOL OK doubt that happened by it's fun to speculate LOL Probably they argued ALOT till they found the Launderomat. OK, on this subject, I have to bring up something that really cheeses me about this episode. I think we've established that David sees this date as a last-ditch attempt to address Maddie's (somewhat inexplicable, to him) complaints about the "order of things" in their relationship. Knowing that, and remembering the conversation they have in "Symphony" about her ideal evening, there is NO FREAKIN' WAY David is going to show up at her door and say "Let's just see what happens"!! The man would have a PLAN, and an awesome one at that, involving someplace appropriately romantic. (For anybody who has spent some time in LA, there's a little place called Inn of the Seventh Ray that would fit the bill perfectly...'cause the cheeseburger thing? I'm not buyin' that one, either.) Now, I understand that Maddie derails things a little when she storms out of the car and back into the house, but that 6 minutes during which David bests the Invisible Prowler shouldn't cause him to lose a reservation. (Though in the office, David says he'll pick her up at 7:30; when she opens the door again, she says "It's after 9:00"--but I'm pretty sure that's just a continuity glitch.) It would've made more sense to me if there had been some conversation at her door along the lines of, "Well, this is what I had planned, but..." And, yeah, I guess I get the piquancy of setting their final scene together for months and months in such a mundane place as a laundromat...but I really feel like it's not giving David his due here. OK. End of rant. It's just one of those things that makes me wanna throw something...gosh, I even love this show when it's driving me crazy!!
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Post by lin212 on Apr 22, 2009 7:07:38 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice Bruce's comment in the commentary? He said that he was certain that David was in love with Maddie, having had a crush on her from the first moment he saw her, but that he wasn't really sure that Maddie loved David. Wonder if he was speaking as of this episode or totally? Objection........goes to characters' motivation.......sustained! (sorry, I am watching a lot of courtroom drama during my time off!) Somehow I took Bruce's comment to mean totally. David loved Maddie with all his being ("Tell me what to do and I will do it.") I think that Maddie loved David, but somehow didn't want to. Glenn refers to the fact that Maddie is drawn to David like a moth to a flame. He seems to be saying that the relationship will never work, that Maddie is drawn to David, but they truly are not right for each other. As an aside, that is why I believe that the ending of the series wouldn't have looked that much different even if Glenn were still involved in the show because he was the driving force behind all the fan-frustrating moments such as Walter and WWAV. I sometimes wonder if Jay Daniel consulted with him when it came to wrapping everything up. Note that one of the final credits goes to Glenn thanking him for creating these wonderful characters. Just a thought...
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Post by beesnbears on Apr 22, 2009 10:16:48 GMT -5
About Cheeseburgers and Laundomats..................
I never thought Maddie meant the cheeseburger thing literally. I always thought she meant just being with David and doing everyday normal things together like shopping, going for a stroll down the beach, etc.. All they had been doing is sneaking to and from work and a whole lot of "sin bin" thrashing in between!!
As far as David going to a Laundromat for a date....that is one of the very frustrating things about this episode. No way that David could not think of something to do or even make plans ahead of time for his date with Maddie. He knew it was important and he could do way better than that. But, I think this was meant to show that spontaneous side of David that makes Maddie cringe and make him look irresponsible again. This in turn makes viewers cringe and yell at David though the TV!!! ;D
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Post by graycav56 on Apr 22, 2009 12:05:24 GMT -5
BINGO to both JPEN and BEES!
Even Dave, when being spontaneous, had a plan. Let's immediately go back to Symphony. Dave had a clear cut idea of what he wanted to accomplish with Maddie, and set out a plan (tickets, limo, flowers) with military precision. OK, so the plan didn't survive first contact with the enemy, but at least he had a PLAN!
No way on God's green earth would he show up at her house, on the self proclaimed most important date of his life, without some semblance of a course of action.
This turned out almost as bad as Robert DeNiro taking her to a porno!
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Post by diane on Apr 22, 2009 12:18:08 GMT -5
You mean you guys don't consider the laundromat a great date? I bet Dave would have even brought an In 'n Out burger had he known Maddie had wanted one!
All parties are correct....the whole date doesn't ring true....not for the David who will proclaim in just a few episodes......"Mr. Hayes, I would give up my life for her."
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 22, 2009 13:29:07 GMT -5
About Cheeseburgers and Laundomats.................. I never thought Maddie meant the cheeseburger thing literally. I always thought she meant just being with David and doing everyday normal things together like shopping, going for a stroll down the beach, etc.. All they had been doing is sneaking to and from work and a whole lot of "sin bin" thrashing in between!! Exactly Bees, their relationship is on another plateau, they have gone from using work to spend a great deal of time together to adjusting to spending their lives together. It has to happen for any relationship to be successful, becoming physical changed their relationship; so it was like starting over. IMO, the "cheeseburger" thing is symbolic of being a part of the others life in all aspects.
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Post by jpen on Apr 22, 2009 18:27:01 GMT -5
10. Just for fun (and meaning no disrespect to our male colleagues): IMO, David is lookin' pretty fine in this episode. What's your favorite shot of him here? In the bathroom, in the towel, right after Maddie has told him she thought they should call it off. Hot body, stupified expression.........mmmmmmmm! Yep, that one gets my vote, too--when he swipes the towel back off his head, I just want to eat him up with a spoon...Maddie-girl, just get back in the shower with him and forget the whole conversation!! ;D
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Post by jpen on Apr 22, 2009 18:30:22 GMT -5
11. And finally...What is the DEAL with the six-minute set piece "David v. the Invisible Prowler"? Prizes will be awarded for any explanation that makes this scene plausible within the context of the episode...I think Nostradamus had this listed in one of his prophecies where he predicted the end of Moonlighting. Umm, Dave does this bit just to show he is the male protector, but we already know that. He wanted to get her to come back out and didn’t know how to do that. In reality, just more filler. Bruce did a wonderful acting job, but this bit went nowhere slow and did nothing to advance the plot. To their credit, the editors did pretty good work of cutting in footage from several days of filming, and you hardly notice where Cybill’s body double comes in. I think we can all agree, Gray: you--and Nostradamus--win the best-answer prize! You can pick up your sack of looneys (and one In 'N Out Burger voucher) at your local laundromat... ;D
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Post by rose35 on Apr 22, 2009 22:05:45 GMT -5
11. And finally...What is the DEAL with the six-minute set piece "David v. the Invisible Prowler"? Prizes will be awarded for any explanation that makes this scene plausible within the context of the episode... P.S. Thanks to rose and bees for help with the questions! LOL yup it went on way too long for me but Bruce of course did a great job of being able to hold up that long in the scene. It must have been a filler scene where they couldnt think of anything else to do,i sure could have thought of other things to do LOL It's cute in the beginning but after 5 minutes youre like UGH Maddie please open the door already! LOL But it;s true it showed David was desperate to get Maddie to come out of her house. He wasnt going to give up but after 6 minutes LOL he seemed to be giving up . then she opened her door FINALLY! LOL ANd your welcome ,ALways glad to help out on questions JPEN!
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Post by rose35 on Apr 22, 2009 22:08:47 GMT -5
6. How do you feel about David's declaration to the staff? I alway thought and felt like OHHHHH WOW~ AWWWWW! by this . I dont know i guess i figured enough is enough, let the whole office know what they really have known already for a long time
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Post by rose35 on Apr 22, 2009 22:14:21 GMT -5
10. Just for fun (and meaning no disrespect to our male colleagues): IMO, David is lookin' pretty fine in this episode. What's your favorite shot of him here? LOL BLUSHES HEHEHEHE OK that opening sequence in the bathroom is sure FINE looking to me To bad we didnt see more of that more often LOL Darn we missed out on a month of them waking up in the mornings like that huh? LOL I hate that we missed that month. So just speculating: Are we supposed to beleive they had like the same type conversation every day for a month?
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Post by jpen on Apr 22, 2009 23:41:55 GMT -5
Darn we missed out on a month of them waking up in the mornings like that huh? LOL I hate that we missed that month. So just speculating: Are we supposed to beleive they had like the same type conversation every day for a month? That is a great question, rose...I'm gonna have to ponder that one. David does say, in her office later, "We've got more pacts than the Geneva Convention!" which indicates that they've had the THH conversation over and over...I would love to believe, though, that there were some mornings when Maddie didn't start questioning herself as soon as her eyes were open...a few times when, just maybe, she actually let herself enjoy being in the ol' sin bin with David... And, for the love of Pete, WHY couldn't we see just ONE of those times?!
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