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Post by diane on Feb 17, 2009 20:51:11 GMT -5
About the cease fire - I think that David does extend an olive branch in a way when he invites Maddie to dinner. I never thought that he had ulterior motives when I watched the scene. I liked his line about the whole thing being fun. I do feel, however, that Maddie never would have considered breaking into his office if he had not come across as so confident in his ability to win the case. That really raised her suspicions and curiosity - she just couldn't let it go. Lin, I hear ya but his dinner proposition puts me in the mind of David in MHGM when he knew Maddie had a lunch date and "proposed" lunch to lure further information about meeting "hubby" out of her. I've got to go with Lin on this one. I think David wanted all the conflict to be over...I believe his offer was a sincere one. Do I believe his offer was spurred by the fact that he was confident he was the winner? Absolutely. And as our David often does, he stuck one toe over the line, and ended up with much more than he had bargained for.
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Post by lin212 on Feb 17, 2009 20:51:26 GMT -5
About the cease fire - I think that David does extend an olive branch in a way when he invites Maddie to dinner. I never thought that he had ulterior motives when I watched the scene. I liked his line about the whole thing being fun. I do feel, however, that Maddie never would have considered breaking into his office if he had not come across as so confident in his ability to win the case. That really raised her suspicions and curiosity - she just couldn't let it go. Lin, I hear ya but his dinner proposition puts me in the mind of David in MHGM when he knew Maddie had a lunch date and "proposed" lunch to lure further information about meeting "hubby" out of her. Since, I have to admit that David does seem to be gloating a bit too much. I guess he is trying to send the message that his cool collected self doesn't have to burn the midnight oil. He has it all under control.
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Post by diane on Feb 17, 2009 20:55:59 GMT -5
We know David as a big ole softy for women, yet he sticks to his guns in this one. David reveals to Maddie that this has really been about her viewing him like a “Neal Fass”. What does this say about David’s growth when it comes to expressing his feelings to Maddie?
This is one thing I truly do not like about this episode (besides the hokey Jerry Lewis imitation, that is!). It just does not ring true to me. There is no way that David, after the over 4 years they had spent together, would have in any way believed he was sexually harassing Maddie.
Take a look at those kisses....does the woman act like she is being sexually harassed? Poppycock!
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Post by lin212 on Feb 17, 2009 20:59:18 GMT -5
Does David set a trap for Maddie, knowing she's do anything to beat him? Do you think David is truly surprised at Maddie for going "beneath" him or does he see it coming?
I don't believe that David set a trap for Maddie. He made sure that she couldn't just wander into his office and raid his files, but I don't think he ever imagined she would go as far as she did to gain access. I think he really was surprised that she would violate her own code of ethics and break into his office.
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Post by jpen on Feb 17, 2009 21:02:20 GMT -5
We know David as a big ole softy for women, yet he sticks to his guns in this one. David reveals to Maddie that this has really been about her viewing him like a “Neal Fass”. What does this say about David’s growth when it comes to expressing his feelings to Maddie? This is one thing I truly do not like about this episode (besides the hokey Jerry Lewis imitation, that is!). It just does not ring true to me. There is no way that David, after the over 4 years they had spent together, would have in any way believed he was sexually harassing Maddie. Take a look at those kisses....does the woman act like she is being sexually harassed? Poppycock! Agree, Diane. I think that whole exchange was a way for the writers to indicate that David is still "in care" with Maddie...and that she feels the same way.
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Post by diane on Feb 17, 2009 21:02:51 GMT -5
What do you think of the Pink Panther scene in general? What does this say about Maddie’s mental growth or demise (lol) from the prior 4 seasons?
I think of the Pink Panther scene almost as Maddie's commencement exercises. She has gone miles and moved mountains to become the woman who would climb into that ceiling. The difference between the first season's spoiled model who disparaged almost everything, to the woman who fluffs her cobweb filled hair is amazing.
The fact that she sort of broke the law to do it is suspect when you think of her character, but again, she felt so challenged by David she was almost driven to his office.
Her determination looked good on her.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 17, 2009 21:03:25 GMT -5
We know David as a big ole softy for women, yet he sticks to his guns in this one. David reveals to Maddie that this has really been about her viewing him like a “Neal Fass”. What does this say about David’s growth when it comes to expressing his feelings to Maddie? This is one thing I truly do not like about this episode (besides the hokey Jerry Lewis imitation, that is!). It just does not ring true to me. There is no way that David, after the over 4 years they had spent together, would have in any way believed he was sexually harassing Maddie. Take a look at those kisses....does the woman act like she is being sexually harassed? Poppycock! Right on! David has said and done so much "worse" (better, that's why we love him), from the first time he met Maddie; this is sooooo true!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 17, 2009 21:06:09 GMT -5
4. Agnes asks Maddie in regard to looking into people’s private life “ Isn’t this going a little too far?” Though they are a detective agency, Maddie’s response is based on her assumption of David’s personality. Do David and Maddie really go too far to prove a point to each other? If so, how?
4. Agnes asks Maddie in regard to looking into people’s private life “ Isn’t this going a little too far?” Though they are a detective agency, Maddie’s response is based on her assumption of David’s personality. Do David and Maddie really go too far to prove a point to each other? If so, how?
I feel the two go a little far because they pull the Wobblies into their challenge. David and Maddie seem to always disregard those around them in an attempt to spite the other. Maddie could have simply told Agnes that's what detectives do; yet, she goes right into David's secret agenda. Maddie's thoughts are always subconsciously about David and what she can do to stay one step ahead based on her knowledge of him. Whenever possible, they will use another person as bait to get a rise out of each other.
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Post by lin212 on Feb 17, 2009 21:07:04 GMT -5
We know David as a big ole softy for women, yet he sticks to his guns in this one. David reveals to Maddie that this has really been about her viewing him like a “Neal Fass”. What does this say about David’s growth when it comes to expressing his feelings to Maddie? This is one thing I truly do not like about this episode (besides the hokey Jerry Lewis imitation, that is!). It just does not ring true to me. There is no way that David, after the over 4 years they had spent together, would have in any way believed he was sexually harassing Maddie. Take a look at those kisses....does the woman act like she is being sexually harassed? Poppycock! Agree with diane on the harrassment angle. Maddie flirted with David just as much as he did with her. It certainly was a mutual attraction and never had anything to do with getting ahead in the business. Let's remember who the boss is here. DOUBLE POPPYCOCK!
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Post by diane on Feb 17, 2009 21:10:19 GMT -5
Does Maddie’s suggestive attitude entice viewers to believe she’s making an effort to continue a sexual relationship with David?
I think the ending shows an intent on Roger Director's part to try and light the spark between the two characters again. Let's face it, the man knew the magic......and was one of the very few left who could try to recreate it.
However, the entire writing staff never seemed to have a long range plan for season 5, and we got disjointed episodes that never seemed to flow. Correct me if I am wrong, but outside of Womb, and the Annie episodes...couldn't you just toss all the rest in a box, and determine which should come next? I don't feel there is any continuity in season 5...which is part of the problem.
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Post by diane on Feb 17, 2009 21:16:39 GMT -5
OK...you know I always look at the oddities.......
Did you notice.....?
How the heck did Maddie crawl all over those concrete beams, and not shred her hose?
Check out David in the courthouse when he says "Excuse me, Mr. Fast....." It is one of Bruce's best "Joisey" accents going!
How horrible is Maddie's first response to David when he catches her in his office? The scene does build to a little bit of a climax, but it really starts out to looking like the scene was going to be phoned in.
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Post by graycav56 on Feb 17, 2009 21:16:51 GMT -5
However, the entire writing staff never seemed to have a long range plan for season 5, and we got disjointed episodes that never seemed to flow. Correct me if I am wrong, but outside of Womb, and the Annie episodes...couldn't you just toss all the rest in a box, and determine which should come next? I don't feel there is any continuity in season 5...which is part of the problem. Here Here! (Hear Hear? I could never get that right.)
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Post by jpen on Feb 17, 2009 21:19:45 GMT -5
10. The final question is in the last scene, Maddie presents David with paper work for the partnership buy-in. Does Maddie's suggestive attitude entice viewers to believe she's making an effort to continue a sexual relationship with David? No doubt about it--just another indication, IMO, that things were supposed to go differently at the end of S5...looking at the ending of each episode, it's like the writers were dropping little breadcrumbs to lead M&D back to each other, from the almost-kiss at the end of PFL to the Invite to Paris. And then all Annie broke loose.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 17, 2009 21:21:35 GMT -5
7. What do you think of the Pink Panther scene in general? What does this say about Maddie’s mental growth or demise (lol) from the prior 4 seasons?
I just love to see Maddie come so far and get so dirty! Maddie really put her all in this scheme, it was great. ;D This scene makes me feel the gloves are really off and I also love when David says "You don't think the writers would let you snoop around in my office without me catching you, do ya?" LOL, love it!
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Post by lin212 on Feb 17, 2009 21:22:17 GMT -5
Does Maddie’s suggestive attitude entice viewers to believe she’s making an effort to continue a sexual relationship with David? I think the ending shows an intent on Roger Director's part to ltry and light the spark between the two characters again. Let's face it, the man knew the magic......and was one of the very few left who could try to recreate it. However, the entire writing staff never seemed to have a long range plan for season 5, and we got disjointed episodes that never seemed to flow. Correct me if I am wrong, but outside of Womb, and the Annie episodes...couldn't you just toss all the rest in a box, and determine which should come next? I don't feel there is any continuity in season 5...which is part of the problem. Couldn't agree more, diane. The episodes were all over the place. There was no development of the characters or a clear cut direction for the relationship. Some were "pals-y" and others hinted at an interest. Where did kiss in Take My Wife come from? Then nothing....
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