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Post by beesnbears on Feb 4, 2009 10:55:44 GMT -5
The garage scene is so emotionally complex. Yes, Maddie is angry and annoyed with David's actions 4 (3?) years ago, and totally not interested in the details of David's fling with Stephanie. BUT I can't help but feel that she doesn't want David to allow that incident to destroy the fragile truce that has been established between David and his father. After years of not speaking, they seem to be getting to a good place. It may be that Maddie doesn't truly understand how David feels about his indiscretion, but I think she wants him to put it in the past and move on. She is more concerned about the future. I too think that she was really sweet with David Sr. and wants to help foster their reconcilation. She doesn't want David to blow this chance. Okay EVERYBODY read this again!! This is the nutshell!! Good job lin212!!
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Post by beesnbears on Feb 4, 2009 11:02:11 GMT -5
7. Once Maddie fully understood what the situation was with David and Stephanie, do you feel she was sympathetic and really tried to help him through this crisis of his or do you think she just did not understand him? What was her motivation for telling David he was being selfish, inconsiderate and childish? I’ve got two thoughts about this. At first, I was surprised that Maddie would be so dismissive of the enormity of the fact that David had slept with the woman who would soon become his stepmother. I would have thought she’d understand what an awkward, kind of squicky, situation it was. But I think that part of the reason she downplayed it and insisted that David should be able to “get over it” is that she was jealous. David had spent an amazing three days in bed with this woman, and she didn’t like thinking about it. She certainly didn’t like thinking that it was such a big deal that David is still thinking about it, four years later. She wants to believe it wasn’t so earth-shattering and life-changing, so she downplays it to David and insists he join her in stripping it of so much meaning. I also think a part of Maddie did think David was being selfish and childish and I think the fact that she said she had “never been so disappointed” in another person was very telling. At this point in their relationship, she’s come to understand that what David seems to be on the surface is not the whole of who David really is. She’s seen the inside and has come to believe that he really is a caring, thoughtful, loyal man. She believes it so strongly that she’s let herself get closer and closer to him, and let him deeper and deeper into her life. So she’s disappointed that someone she really believes in would behave the way he’s behaving. And I think it makes her wonder if perhaps she’s been wrong to believe in him. CAllmeditzy!!! I am glad you are back!! I like your answer to #7!! I really think it explains why Maddie reacts the way she does to the whole situation!! You get a
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Post by beesnbears on Feb 4, 2009 11:07:03 GMT -5
Evening all! Great questions, Bees!!8. What are your thoughts as to the meaning of the title of this episode? I interpreted it to mean that David does indeed rise to the occasion to stand by his father regardless of his own misgivings. Hey manitobadesigner i like this meaning here, i also want to add that it could maybe further mean like when they ask you in church to please rise and David does decide to go to church and Rise up for this holy occasion for his father. Oooooo, Rose!!! Good one!!
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Post by beesnbears on Feb 4, 2009 11:13:05 GMT -5
Also, Maddie wanted to soften the blow of his father actually waiting in David's office. Maddie didn't want him to be surprised, she had to warn him. It would have been like a betrayal of sorts because she knew David Sr was waiting. Maddie realized by the time David began to lie that there had to be some deep seeded issue within regarding his relationship with David Sr. Maddie couldn't let him be ambushed , she gave David Jr. time to get it together. sinceifell4u
Yes!! This shows that Maddie is truly trying to understand what is going on with David. It was very considerate of her.
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Post by beesnbears on Feb 4, 2009 11:15:28 GMT -5
I NEVER EVER in my entire life said or thought Maddie is a demon, gang!
Let it be clear!!! ibm
LOL!!! We know that!! ;D
Now let's all go have some whoopie pie!!!!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 4, 2009 11:22:24 GMT -5
LOL, she said whoopie pie too...by the way, what's the recipe? ;D
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 4, 2009 11:25:08 GMT -5
Hey manitobadesigner i like this meaning here, i also want to add that it could maybe further mean like when they ask you in church to please rise and David does decide to go to church and Rise up for this holy occasion for his father. Oooooo, Rose!!! Good one!! Yes, short, sweet, and decisively to the point and a great point at that.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 4, 2009 11:31:18 GMT -5
Bees, you really got the joint jumpin with this line of questioning, I'll tell you that...I thought this was going to be a fairly easy episode but nooooo, it isn't at all! I guess that's the true spirit of Maddie and David, nothing is ever as it seems.
Thanks for kickin' it off Bees (as we use to say in Chicago when I was a kid)
This thread is definitely worthy of some of the IBM'r magic and sparkle!
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Post by diane on Feb 4, 2009 12:20:11 GMT -5
I'm gonna jump in and make a few comments, partly related to last night's discussion. My comments should be taken not as a moderator, or any kind of an expert, but as a contributor to this board.
Messge boards foster the sharing of ideas and opinions, and that's a good thing. It feels good when others agree with what you believe. Likewise, it gets a little cold and lonely out there when your opinion is not the popular one. Those of you who have been around for a while have witnessed what can happen when people get too attached to their own opinions -- we seem to lose the total focus of learning new things from others. It gets ugly.
It is so wonderful that this site has enabled people to reach across the internet and bond so well. There have been some great friendships forged here and, with care, we will continue to attract new people and celebrate the phenomenon that is Moonlighting.
If my opinion has any value, I would make these suggestions:
-- Respect and show interest in other posters, but limit praise that is too lavish or exaggerated. Once superlatives become expected, they cause disappointment when not consistently given. You also run the risk of appearing clique-y to new people who might be intimidated or afraid to join in.
-- Continue to post clear and thoughtful ideas, but realize that the quality of your posts is what makes them valuable, not the number or frequency.
-- Discuss, debate, banter.....do all that ML inspires us to do. But remain open to all opinions, that's how we learn. And sometimes, we just need to agree to disagree. That's life!
-- Never forget -- we are talking about a television show! Our passion is enjoyable, and we kid about being "essed", but remember, it's not real life! Take a walk in the sun, kiss a baby, eat an ice cream cone! Then come back and try to convince me that Sam Crawford wasn't a bad guy!
Thanks for listening to me and my comments. I've been thinking about this for a while, and some of the things I read last night were just a catalyst for me. I appreciate your indulgence.
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Post by beesnbears on Feb 4, 2009 12:59:19 GMT -5
Take a walk in the sun, kiss a baby, eat an ice cream cone! diane And eat some whoopie pie....you forgot whoopie pie!! LOL!!! Thanks for the reality check, diane!! Thank you to everyone who participated last night. You all are the best!!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 4, 2009 16:18:52 GMT -5
Another small digression - the bathroom scene. Somehow I find Maddie screaming at the top of her lungs and banging on the bathroom door far more embarrassing than David crawling around on the floor. At least he was fairly quiet. Maddie, in fact, made quite a scene. Great point Lin212, I also felt a tinge uncomfortable at the display , for both parties. Yeah maybe at work or on the street or in a bar or a mattress factory or on a milk truck or at the casino or in a hotel or even several hotels or in the car or on the plane or outside of the clients mansion or outside of SRT industries or in the alley or in a questionable neighborhood...but definitely not at the new in laws. Definitely not there.
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Post by jpen on Feb 4, 2009 16:21:20 GMT -5
Diane, I second the thanks for a timely, thoughtful, and sensitive reminder... This is a great great place, IMO, mainly because people are so welcoming and respectful. I've learned so much from all of you, and I'm just happy to be included in the "essing." Also, the fact that this show can support widely differing interpretations is part and parcel of its brilliance--as with all the best art, there are no simple answers here! Can't wait to hop back on the bandwagon next week...
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Post by rose35 on Feb 4, 2009 16:47:50 GMT -5
Another small digression - the bathroom scene. Somehow I find Maddie screaming at the top of her lungs and banging on the bathroom door far more embarrassing than David crawling around on the floor. At least he was fairly quiet. Maddie, in fact, made quite a scene. Great point Lin212, I also felt a tinge uncomfortable at the display , for both parties. Yeah maybe at work or on the street or in a bar or a mattress factory or on a milk truck or at the casino or in a hotel or even several hotels or in the car or on the plane or outside of the clients mansion or outside of SRT industries or in the alley or in a questionable neighborhood...but definitely not at the new in laws. Definitely not there. LOL SinceIFell4u! I think you covered all the bases where it's ok to YELL as our Dear Maddie did at the INLAWS house the one place where it's definitley not good to do! LOL
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 4, 2009 19:51:26 GMT -5
7. I won't be around for a bit. I'm sure that's OK with you; Where do you think you're going young lady? "Now Luuucy!"
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Post by sinceifell4u on Feb 4, 2009 19:53:17 GMT -5
LOL SinceIFell4u! I think you covered all the bases where it's ok to YELL as our Dear Maddie did at the INLAWS house the one place where it's definitley not good to do! LOL He, He, He~ Rose, it just felt so right...it just flowed from my fingertips~
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