Post by maddieaddisonjr on Apr 14, 2016 21:48:55 GMT -5
1. How do you feel about the appearance of Demi Moore in this episode. Was it just an attention grabbing device to show off the star's significant other...or was it really planned to set the mood for the episode?
I think it was both. It set the mood for the episode. Maddie drops her therapist, saying she's over David. David is now of a mind to ogle other women. The thing is, they could have chosen any extra to play the role. Why Demi Moore if not to generate the buzz that the actor's wife is playing a random femalee that the character goes gah-gah for. I found it a tad irksome because that sliver of reality took me out of the fantasy of the show a little.
2. Do you think, if Maddie had been a little more receptive to David when they were dancing, that he would even have looked at Annie twice?
If Maddie had been receptive to him, then he wouldn't have bothered with Annie. But I don't think David made much of an effort for Maddie to be receptive to. His delivery came off half-hearted and jokey.
3. The BIG question -- who is the villain here.....David or Annie? Why?
There are three villains. Maddie's attitude towards David was over-the-top negative for no reason and it set David on edge. That certainly doesn't excuse him for starting a romantic entanglement with his ex-lover's cousin while that cousin is visiting and a guest in her home. At this point David doesn't know Annie is married, which doesn't say much for Annie. First, she's cheating on her husband. Second, she's getting involved with someone her cousin obviously has a personal connection to even if Annie doesn't know exactly what that connection entails. Third, she doesn't tell David that she's married. Wrong choices and bad actions all around.
4. Does anyone think Maddie brought the whole situation on herself?
She's the cause of David's hostile response to her insults, but not his behavior with Annie - not directly anyway. Her attitude has pushed him away from her romantically so he's ready to move on. I'm not saying that deep down he's not still in love with that Blonde Noggin, but he's fed up with her acting like he's a dirtbag.
5. Why does David find Maddie sitting in his bed? Would the conversation have been different if David hadn't been so hostile?
Maddie is genuinely concerned about the repercussions Annie might suffer for her involvement with David - wrecking her marriage and also, thinking Annie will get hurt - not so much because David is the playboy Maddie claims he is but because deep down Maddie thinks David couldn't really be serious about anyone else besides her. I also think Maddie is there because she's jealous and feels a resistance to losing him - but breaking into David's place and falling asleep in his bed is as close to admitting that as she go.
[EDITED a day later to add: Ummm, I actually answered these questions a couple years ago on page 9! LOL I didn't realize it until now. Let me go back and see how much my viewpoint has changed, if at all. I don't mind double-posting or repeating myself years later. Cuz it's Moonlighting, y'know? This show is eternal and there can never be too much discussion about it!]
Post by maddieaddisonjr on Apr 16, 2016 21:56:21 GMT -5
I've rewatched most of the five seasons recently but I seem to be more compeled to post about season 5 because it flabbergasts me. lol
Here's more about WGC -
David: "She hasn't laughed since the Mark Harmon episode." Really, David? Wasn't she laughing in your arms while y'all were dancing in AWWAV? But if he referred to that it would call to mind that they were in a relationship and lost a child and they have unresolved emotional issues about both. Bah!
Wasn't it kind of rude and dismissive that Maddie didn't introduce David to her cousin? When he opens her office door, she simply asks if he wanted something. Even if it was a strict business setting at Blue Moon and there was never any volatile feelings between the two partners, it would seem dismissive to me if one spoke to the other that way and didn't introduce the other person in the room. To me this is Maddie trying to keep David at arm's length because there are volatile feelings between them. And it was rude.
Maddie to Annie during lunch at a restaurant: "I'm holding out for a decent guy with an 8-cylinder Rolls Royce." (or something like that) What? If she really wanted someone like that, she would have married Sam or at least got engaged to him. She was in love with two men and two men were in love with her - a Rolls Royce and an even better Trans Am. She dumps both and now acts like decent guys don't come her way. Get out of here with that, Maddie! I don't want to hear it. Heck, I bet if she called Sam up during season 5, he'd have come a-runnin'. She is a commitment-phobe. That's the only reason I can think of that she sabotaged her relationship with David. What woman in her right mind would turn David down if a man like him was completely in love with her and showed it? Honestly, if I were Maddie it would have been 'on' right after "Brother, Can You Spare a Blonde?" when he swallowed his pride as a man to get me the money to save my house!
Maddie talks disparagigly about David so much to Annie and to David in person that it's obvious to me that she's not over him at all, no matter what she told herself, Agnes or her therapist. With all that heat, there's a fire that hasn't been put out yet. I mean, when he comes to the door and hands her flowers, she doesn't even acknowledge them but instead starts correcting behavior he hasn't indulged in yet before he even gets three steps past the threshold. Offensive defense and arms-length keeping maneuver = fear of being vulnerable to someone you think will hurt you.
While David and Maddie are having their sexy as warm milk dance with chit-chat that goes nowhere (as such talks have gone all season), Maddie spots another couple dancing and kissing and says they were "so civilized" and that she "envied that." What? Sister, you coulda been had that - if you'd only felt the fear...and done it anyway! [Check out a great book by Susan Jeffers called Feel the Fear...And Do It Anyway! - followed by Shut Up and Live! (You Know How) by Marion Downs.]
I'm not hating. I still like Maddie, but although David is actually more of the "bad guy" between the two during these last four episodes, some of Maddie's defense mechanism negative language towards David throughout the series puts my teeth on edge but she was just over-the-top with it during the Annie arc.
Might have even more comments later. This episode is full of things to talk about - even worth starting a separate threads about!
Post by beesnbears on Apr 18, 2016 16:44:25 GMT -5
You're right, maddiej, there could be another thread!
I've always felt both weren't over each other. Their behavior proves it.
For me it's the scene at the end of Eine Klein.....Maddie's hesitation and David's gaze says it all. Always has made me feel if the writers had gotten it together the show might have survived or at least ended on a better note. At the least go out with flying colors! Because Bruce and Cybill still had it and obviously understood the characters they were playing in that moment.
Post by maddieaddisonjr on Mar 3, 2017 16:04:12 GMT -5
I just thank God for the first three seasons! If the show started with something like season 5 it would have been cancelled within four episodes. Most of season 4 was not much better if they wanted fans to actually care about David and Maddie at all.