|
Post by bluemoonshampoo on Feb 14, 2011 10:14:35 GMT -5
the second night at the restaurant. Everybody always wants to know why Maddie didn't send Sam away so they could finish. Why didn't David? How difficult could it have been to ask Sam for a few more minutes......expecially if he was that determined. But his fear and uncertainty allows him .....heck, catapults him into the sad and horrid scene that just lets him be washed over by Sam's accomplishments and familiarity with Maddie. That in turn makes him so much more uncertain, and allows him the excuse of drowning himself in the wine bottle. He doesn't even need to try and measure up -- so he goes in the opposite direction, making their differences all that more obvious! . Wow - yes, this is so sad but true: it really supports that broken look he has by the end of the scene - it's not just sadness over his feelings for her, it's self reproach too, he's beating himself up for embracing the behaviour he knows Maddie does not approve of and therefore showing her all of his faults next to the perfect Sam- oh I love him. You're so right- I've always been cross at Maddie in that scene but he could have helped himself-I think I mentioned it on a thread somewhere that he could have interrupted on each and every occasion - but he is not ready to follow through (thinks that she still sees him as 'the disgusting human being') and she's not ready to hear (She is trying to work out what she needs v wants).
|
|
|
Post by diane on Feb 14, 2011 10:38:32 GMT -5
I think I need to make myself a little clearer.......I think that the insecurities that I attribute to David are strictly related to his feelings for Maddie and the baggage that goes with them.
"Deep insecurities" makes him seem like a damaged human being. I just think he has blind spots only in this area.
|
|
|
Post by sandra on Feb 14, 2011 12:00:08 GMT -5
I think I need to make myself a little clearer.......I think that the insecurities that I attribute to David are strictly related to his feelings for Maddie and the baggage that goes with them. "Deep insecurities" makes him seem like a damaged human being. I just think he has blind spots only in this area. No, Diane, you made yourself quite clear. That's just how I perceived it - it's me who didn't express myself clear. Insecurities, of course only regarding Maddie.
|
|
|
Post by bluemoonshampoo on Sept 11, 2011 6:01:36 GMT -5
I just re-watched this episode - is it just me, or do you find that every time you re-watch you spot another gem, or hear a line like it was said for the first time because you're listening to it in another context?
A particular line stood out to me last night and that's when Maddie introduces Sam to David in the restaurant and David starts to say 'Yes, we've already...' but Sam cuts him off before he can say 'met' so Maddie doesn't get to hear that he turned up at 4am, in the pouring rain, with flowers in his hand to declare his love. I think this has to be the moment where you think Sam is a not a pleasant character (to put it mildly) - he interrupts David, in his irritatingly soft, sedate tones: 'pleased to meet you.' Here we see that Sam knows exactly what's going on and how he manipulates the situation in order to make himself look good - he knows that if David had finished that sentence Maddie would know exactly why he turned up at her door at 4am and the game would have been over before it had even started. Sam achieves the upper hand and that is extended throughout this fated evening - which is why I really dislike him in this scene - as he pulls a drunken David out of the car and puts him to bed we know that he knows he made David look inadequate (even if he does it in that I'm such a nice guy and I just happen to be an astronaut throw-away manner that he perfects).
Grrr to Sam the sham haha x
|
|
|
Post by sandra on Sept 11, 2011 6:06:06 GMT -5
Agree, Nancy! Yes, I've noticed that moment too when he deliberately interrupts David and holds him back from revealing what had happened the night before - and you're right, here Sams shows his ratty character, already from the beginning. He knew exactly that and where he was intruding. Grrrrr.
|
|
snappysara
2nd Level
Spit and slide under
Posts: 283
|
Post by snappysara on Sept 11, 2011 14:40:35 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm Nancy and Sandra - I have never interpreted this scene like this. I always thought that when Sam didn't let Dave give away the fact that they had already met - he did it to save Dave the embarrassment. I respected him for it and I haven't really analyzed how or what Sam thought of Davids visit that night. Now that you have interpreted it as above I can see how you think Sam is keeping it quiet for his own sake. Will re-watch. x
|
|
goldilocks
3rd Level
You know he is perfect for me...but you and me...we...we..
Posts: 887
|
Post by goldilocks on Sept 11, 2011 14:50:53 GMT -5
I always thought that when Sam didn't let Dave give away the fact that they had already met - he did it to save Dave the embarrassment. I thought I was the only one who saw it that way I also always thought that Sam didn't want to make David feel uncomfortable about the whole "last night" thing, that's why he didn't let him finish the sentence. I just don't think that that one visit was enough for Sam to realize the depth of David's feelings to Maddie. I really believe he didn't know it for sure. And if so - he didn't have any reason to manipulate the situation. But it is just my opinion of course
|
|
|
Post by sandra on Sept 11, 2011 15:59:37 GMT -5
I always thought that when Sam didn't let Dave give away the fact that they had already met - he did it to save Dave the embarrassment. I thought I was the only one who saw it that way I also always thought that Sam didn't want to make David feel uncomfortable about the whole "last night" thing, that's why he didn't let him finish the sentence. I just don't think that that one visit was enough for Sam to realize the depth of David's feelings to Maddie. I really believe he didn't know it for sure. And if so - he didn't have any reason to manipulate the situation. But it is just my opinion of course Well, probably you both are just ready to give Sam the benefit of doubt - I'm not ashamed to say that I am not. You can call me biased - I plead guilty. Maybe Sam didn't realize the depths of David's feelings at that first brief encounter, but I'm convinced he knew damn well he was interfering with something he had no business interfering with. And when David showed up at the restaurant, it became clear for Sam that he was about to finish what he'd come for the previous night. IMO Sam had every reason to manipulate the situation. And that's just what he did.
|
|
|
Post by rose35 on Sept 11, 2011 21:59:54 GMT -5
I thought I was the only one who saw it that way I also always thought that Sam didn't want to make David feel uncomfortable about the whole "last night" thing, that's why he didn't let him finish the sentence. I just don't think that that one visit was enough for Sam to realize the depth of David's feelings to Maddie. I really believe he didn't know it for sure. And if so - he didn't have any reason to manipulate the situation. But it is just my opinion of course Well, probably you both are just ready to give Sam the benefit of doubt - I'm not ashamed to say that I am not. You can call me biased - I plead guilty. Maybe Sam didn't realize the depths of David's feelings at that first brief encounter, but I'm convinced he knew damn well he was interfering with something he had no business interfering with. And when David showed up at the restaurant, it became clear for Sam that he was about to finish what he'd come for the previous night. IMO Sam had every reason to manipulate the situation. And that's just what he did. Just have to give MHO and say i agree with Sandra. I have always thought from the get go that Sam knew exactly what David was there for too that night at 4:00am in the pouring rain pounding on Maddies door. 1st thing Sam doesn't go wake up Maddie and then David shows up at the restaurant and well if Sam suspected ,he darn well knew for sure he was right to worry about David & didn't want Maddie to know about the night before. He wanted to come offf as the good guy but he was sneaky ,again JMO
|
|
|
Post by iluvdavid on Sept 12, 2011 15:50:54 GMT -5
David allowed Sam to manipulate him and Sam made David look like a fool numerous times. Sneaky....
|
|
|
Post by donnagbsn on Sept 8, 2013 15:15:51 GMT -5
1. This is the first of three episodes in which Moonlighting pokes fun at its own shortcomings (and critics thereof). Are these intros time-wasters for you, or integral parts of the episodes?
Absolutely integral. I remember at the time there being so much discussion about the reruns and amount of them. I loved and still love season 3 and think even then I realized they were focusing on quality work. Anyway, the intros were insanely clever and I think I enjoy them even more now.
2. David, in the opening scene: Is he really thinking that Maddie "got horizonty" with Mr. Anonymous? (For fun: What other explanations do you think he could dream up for Sam's presence at Maddie's house?)
David absolutely thinks this and is heartbroken but I think worse for him is when he finds out Sam isn't just some guy. On the one hand, he didn't want Maddie to pick up some random guy but now this is real competition. This is serious.
3. Why does David want to refuse the Johnson case?
All that's on his mind is Maddie. This case...whatever...it's going to be
|
|