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Post by rose35 on Nov 4, 2009 23:21:58 GMT -5
Bought a used copy of Fear of Flying for 1.00 yesterday LOL
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 4, 2009 23:59:59 GMT -5
Bought a used copy of Fear of Flying for 1.00 yesterday LOL If that is anything like a used copy of Playboy....wear gloves.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 5, 2009 3:51:57 GMT -5
Bought a used copy of Fear of Flying for 1.00 yesterday LOL If that is anything like a used copy of Playboy....wear gloves. ROTFLMAO ... so hilarious Gray~ ;D
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Post by rose35 on Nov 5, 2009 22:33:37 GMT -5
Bought a used copy of Fear of Flying for 1.00 yesterday LOL If that is anything like a used copy of Playboy....wear gloves. AHAHHAA Gray you are too much! LOL
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 5, 2009 22:46:45 GMT -5
Bought a used copy of Fear of Flying for 1.00 yesterday LOL If that is anything like a used copy of Playboy....wear gloves. ;D New browsers are totally going to get the wrong idea around here! ...the book is interesting though...stick with it to the end Rose!! At times I didn't think I would finish it, but I'm glad I did!
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Post by sandra on Jan 15, 2011 16:54:37 GMT -5
Oh, such an emotional rollercoaster. Before I start rambling uncontrollably, I'll try the questions.
1. This is the first of three episodes in which Moonlighting pokes fun at its own shortcomings (and critics thereof). Are these intros time-wasters for you, or integral parts of the episodes? No, they're integral parts of course. I like them. They show that even in the stormiest waters (well, till the last season, that is) ML never stopped being what it was: inspired, innovative, genius television.
2. David, in the opening scene: Is he really thinking that Maddie "got horizonty" with Mr. Anonymous? (For fun: What other explanations do you think he could dream up for Sam's presence at Maddie's house?) I think he takes it into serious consideration. And I don't think at the moment he isn't really in any state to think about anything! So, I don't think he has found any explanation. He's not thinking, he's just trying to not totally lose his mind, but he's close to that. IMHO of course.
And then, when Maddie alsmost casually, and completely innocently, reveals that Sam is an old friend, that tiny bit of relief that we can see creep over David's face makes my heart leap.
3. Why does David want to refuse the Johnson case? When they talk about the case, Maddie hasn't revealed the "old friend thing" yet; David still thinks she might have done what she announced the evening before and is feeling betrayed. Therefore he doesn't want anything to do with faithless spouses.
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Post by sandra on Jan 15, 2011 17:09:08 GMT -5
4. In "Yours, Very Deadly," Maddie laments: "Nothing makes sense anymore...what's happened to all the rules? What's happened to romance?" Yet her response to the Johnson case is: "Maybe a thing like being faithful isn't that easy to define--maybe it's not so black & white." What has changed for her in the course of this season?Well, that are David's words, at least that's what he would say - not everything being black and white. There you are, clearly his huge influence of her ways of thinking, of course no way she would ever admit that. 5. David with Maddie, and Agnes with Bert: who really looks out/looks after whom, and who is willing to take risks to do so?All of them have shown that they are willing to look after the other, even Bert when he followed Agnes to that haunted house in "Poltergeist". Agnes, of course, is always taking care of everybody. David and Maddie - they are almost on the same level I'd say - of course, David is taking huge risks here, following her throughout the city, climbing out of hotel windows, risking his life, but Maddie just never got in the situation to take serious risks for her health to look after David, but would it be necessary she wouldn't hesitate a minute, I believe. 6. Why is Maddie so insistent on keeping her date with Sam? Do you think she understand that David is jealous?Initially not, but when David tries to ramble about his feelings, about the big decision he has made, the penny drops. And that's the moment when I really could slap her: when Sam returns, just in the moment when David is about to tell her what he is feeling, she doesn't say a word, when she absolutely should have told Sam to wait another couple of minutes, because the meeting wasn't through. Her date with Sam? Well, he seems to be a NSM, and one she clearly feels comfortable with. He is attractive and interesting, and wouldn't ot nice to have a dinner with such a man? BTW, I don't know if Maddie sees that as a date, maybe at that point it's really just dinner with an old friend...
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Post by sandra on Jan 15, 2011 17:32:27 GMT -5
7. The Dinner Scene: Ah, the undercurrents...the assumptions...the interruptions! Have a ball with this one--here's just a few questions to get you started:
a) Do you think Maddie knows what David wants to tell her?Like I said in my previous post, initially she doesn't know, but as soon as David starts to ramble about his big decision, about that he had realized something importnt the previous night... yes, I think she knows it. Hell, and you let Sam interrupt that, blondie?! You must know how hard this is for David, and you see he's about to take this risk and tell you what you've always wanted to hear, and you don't even bother to meet him halfway?! You deserve some slaps yourself!! b) Why does Sam bring up Maddie's fear of flying?because he senses there's something in the air between Maddie and David, and he doesn't like it. I mean, he saw David at 4:00 in the morning in the poruing rain with flowers coming to Maddie's house, come on, he's not dumb, Sam's very smart, he knows there's something going on - and he has decided to undermine it! He wants to show off how well he knows Maddie, and so he had a nice excuse to rub in to David the stories about how she came to visit him at college - uh-huh, they must have been close! - how he drove her home - ah, how caring and amicable dear Sammy is! how long did it take? two days and two nights! rat bastard!!I love how David shot back - and really, with him Maddie never showed fear of flying... well, at least in an airplane, not in the Erica-Jong-sense, unfortunately c) Imagine, for a moment, that David did not get drunk and make an idiot of himself. Would the outcome of the evening have been the same?Of course not. Had he told Maddie what he was about to tell her (OMG, to think he was really about to tell her! Again! And that after that blow of the previous night! Is that courage or what?!), I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have jumped on him rightaway, but she would have had plenty to think about, she would have been confused but happy, I think, and she damn sure wouldn't have slept with Luke Skywalker! Hmmm... maybe that's not a bad setting for a piece of fanfic?? 8. What is the purpose of the gas station altercation?To show us very subtly the character differences between Sam and David. I mean, Sam so far looks really like a not to bad guy. Be honest, so far we only hate him because he is Sam and because we know he's about to put his greedy fingers in David's pie. But here we see the following scene: David bothers to confront a guy that definitely doesn't look nice (even before he gets out of his car) only because he bumped twice in Sam's car. He could have given a flying frig about Sam's car! On the other hand: Sam - who must have seen that Mr. King Kong has bumped into his car - doesn't raise a finger to help David! Well, there you are - a coward!! And that little scene shows us that he only wanted to be perceived as nice by Maddie, taking her drunken partner home. Rat bastard again!
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Post by sandra on Jan 15, 2011 17:52:07 GMT -5
9. At what point does Maddie decide she's going to sleep with Sam...and why? Obviously some moment between saying goodbye at the restaurant and soming home. When Sam comes home, she's already decided.
But why? I can't figure out that, and I think even she can't. She knows now there's something going on, David's about to reveal his feelings for her. Maybe now she's afraid of that? Sort of: OMG, if he tells me he loves me, I'll have to deal with it - and that could be complicated! I could lose control! But if I throw myself in a relationship with Sam - safe grounds, and David will back off, and I'll never have to deal with my own feelings.
Yuck!! And again: yuck!!! One of the worst reasons to sleep with somebody! Maybe to try if it works? To see if there are sparks? Blondie-blind, if you haven't seen them so far, there are none! You know where the sparks are!!
10. How would you characterize Maddie's reactions in the bedroom scene? What is she thinking at the end? Two words: Oh, David...
11. OK, time to confront the blue-eyed elephant in the room: Sam. What are your impressions of him, based on this episode? Two words, and two exclamation marks: rat bastard!!
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Post by sandra on Jan 15, 2011 18:05:55 GMT -5
Here's a question (3-parter): It's obvious David does not want Maddie to know about him being on her doorstep at 4am. Why do you think he almost lets slip that he and Sam have already met? Why do you think Sam pretends they haven't? Is Sam helping Dave save face, or does he have an ulterior motive? 1. I don't know if he doesn't want Maddie to know that, it's not obvious to me. I mean, the moment in the restaurant - he's about to confess his love for her, that's the reason why he went there. Maybe he lets it almost slip because it doesn't matter any more - he is determined to tell her (I can still hear the sweet, sweet voice of Donna Dixon - she was sooooo lovely, wasn't she??), so what difference does it make? 2. I'll answer the 2nd and the 3rd together, as I feel they're almost the same, or did I get something wrong? Of course he has an ulterior motive - he's not dumb, Sammy boy - he has seen a completely soaked man hammering at Maddie's door at 4:00 am as if his life depended on speaking to her at once, flowers in his hands; he's seen that man's shocked expression when he found spaceman with an unbuttoned shirt at the door; he's seen that this man's world has just fallen apart that very moment? If he hadn't interrupted David, he would have had to say something like ooops, Maddie, I forgot to mention one little thing about last night... Maddie would have discovered his dishonesty! Rat bastard!What? I did say that already? Never mind. Can't say that too often.
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Post by sandra on Jan 15, 2011 18:07:57 GMT -5
If that is anything like a used copy of Playboy....wear gloves. ;D New browsers are totally going to get the wrong idea around here! Absolutely not!! Isn't that what it's all about?? ;D
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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Feb 13, 2011 8:16:00 GMT -5
1. This is the first of three episodes in which Moonlighting pokes fun at its own shortcomings (and critics thereof). Are these intros time-wasters for you, or integral parts of the episodes? 2. David, in the opening scene: Is he really thinking that Maddie "got horizonty" with Mr. Anonymous? (For fun: What other explanations do you think he could dream up for Sam's presence at Maddie's house?) I love that Moonlighting poked fun of itself in the intros- seeing the people on the street talking about it and mixing up Maddie/Cybill, David/Bruce was a great way of showing how this was more than just your average show - it was something that you chatted about for weeks afterwards (or years if you look at us;-)). I particularly like the newsreel one that accompanies IACM - but I'll save that for its own thread. Oh poor David...I guess, taking in to consideration Maddie's behaviour in the previous episode, it's very likely that he thought she had got horizonty with the rat. When David was at the door, ready to tell Maddie he loved her, holding the flowers, it must have been such a shock...and Sham looked so casual, like he lived there, such arrogance! I don't think he would have any alternative thoughts on it at this point- too hurt! :-(
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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Feb 13, 2011 8:36:24 GMT -5
4. In "Yours, Very Deadly," Maddie laments: "Nothing makes sense anymore...what's happened to all the rules? What's happened to romance?" Yet her response to the Johnson case is: "Maybe a thing like being faithful isn't that easy to define--maybe it's not so black & white." What has changed for her in the course of this season? 5. David with Maddie, and Agnes with Bert: who really looks out/looks after whom, and who is willing to take risks to do so? 6. Why is Maddie so insistent on keeping her date with Sam? Do you think she understand that David is jealous? Hmmm, no 4 is a tricky one. Maybe she had always had an image of the perfect husband, kids etc which seemed too shiny to be real so it was safe...however, her growing feelings for Dave, who doesn't fit her ideal, have forced her to question the assumption of that particular future as a given and therefore has challenged her black n white rule- so she's seeing grey! Maybe she even refers to 'being unfaithful' as more complicated - a being unfaithful to herself and her real feelings too? Agnes and Bert are kind of like how easy it should be between Maddie and David - a what if... without all the complications :-) They look out for each other and they look out for David and Maddie - they have a deep understanding of what's going on between their two bosses and it must be good for Agnes to be able to discuss them with her new found Bert- share some of the burden. Maddie and David are a whole new kettle of fish- they do look out for one another but in a way that does not involve communicating with the other- when they reach out to help it's often in secrecy - like when David follows Maddie across town to Metropolis, or Maddie trying to tidy David's office after he went crazy- or it's full on spontaneous big moves - him following her to Buenas Ares - or her following him to NYC! If they just stopped and talked to each other...sigh. Why does she keep her date with Sam? Again, complicated - this is her 'dream' of how it's supposed to be I guess. Here comes the perfect guy (although I can't help thinking of his performance as the serial killer 'Ted Bundy' in that movie he did lol), he's well behaved, well educated, smooth, stylish and minds his p's and q's - just the type she saw herself settling with... 'Cornflakes'. Part of her can't let go of this ideal, and although she knows that David loves her, she still finds those emotions disturbing and messy. Of course, going on the date, playing the role of former Maddie (if you'd asked me 5 years ago the answer would have been yes), just doesn't cut it when David makes his presence known- he keeps reminding her that she loves him too.
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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Feb 13, 2011 8:54:33 GMT -5
7. The Dinner Scene: Ah, the undercurrents...the assumptions...the interruptions! Have a ball with this one--here's just a few questions to get you started: a) Do you think Maddie knows what David wants to tell her? b) Why does Sam bring up Maddie's fear of flying? c) Imagine, for a moment, that David did not get drunk and make an idiot of himself. Would the outcome of the evening have been the same? 8. What is the purpose of the gas station altercation? I'll tackle these all in one :-) This is one of my all time favourite scenes! I love this- the script is so clever here- so full of little ebbs and flows and a multitude of what ifs... Would he have told her? Oh God, this is hard. When he gulps that wine down and opens his mouth to speak...who knows. I mean it took him until they were finally in bed to say 'I love you Maddie' - and he had a pretty captive audience at that moment ha ha. I know that the assumption is that he keeps getting thwarted by Sam - at the door, in the restaurant...but if he really wanted to declare it, maybe he would have found a way! He is scared s***less. Also, there's a big case of why the hell has this turned into a competition when it's so obvious that David is 'the one' - I think that could stop him from saying it too - he must feel terrible that she is having to make a choice, it doesn't do a lot for one's pride. What I do know is that I've never wanted to throw darts at someone's image more than that moment when Sam comes back and says 'Back too soon?' - or words to that effect. Actually, come to think of it, Maddie could have said yes then, and asked for a couple of quiet minutes, pretend it was the case or something...but then she was scared too I suppose! Did she want to hear what she knew David wanted to say with all three of them there? Sam brings up the fear of flying thing just to show off to David and bring to his attention that he and Maddie were a bit of an item before...they have a past. Sam knows that David is a big threat here and throws as many of his cards on the table as he can, including getting David drunk, taking advantage of his vulnerability grrrrr! In fact anything to make David look bad. All I can say about Bruce's acting here is wow - when Sam is putting him in the car he visibly shrinks! It's like his ego went on holiday! He is a little shadow of himself when he is leaning against that window and Maddie's face communicates total love/guilt for him as she watches. He's kind of right- he didn't need to tell her he loved her, it's all evident here! David has compromised his very being for her - just look at the state of him woman lol.
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Post by sandra on Feb 13, 2011 9:15:02 GMT -5
Part of her can't let go of this ideal, and although she knows that David loves her, she still finds those emotions disturbing and messy. - he keeps reminding her that she loves him too. A great truth, casually spoken! So I'm not the only one here who thinks that she knows it!! Pheew
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