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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 17, 2009 19:16:00 GMT -5
Ok, as you can tell, I played hookie from work today...can I blame it on missing too many discussions? I sure can! Here is my contribution to this weeks re-watching festivities. 1) Why do you think Agnes is reluctant to have Bert discuss their night of betrothed bliss with David; after having the discussion in which David tells Agnes that he & Maddie's "date" was great? 2) At what point does David truly realize Maddie has "left the building"? 3) When Maddie arrives at her parents home, a conversation ensues which contains information for each of this two-parter. a) Maddie comments, "This place never changes...I love that". What, if anything, do you draw from Maddie's comment? b) Mr. Hayes makes several assumptions regarding David, Mrs. Hayes interrupts his dialogue between "two business people". Why is this? 4) In observing the phone conversation between Maddie & David, explain what each are feeling from your point of view. 5) As we know, each case tackled by Blue Moon Investigations resembles a situation in which Maddie & David are facing personally. What do you believe this case has in common with Maddie & David's life at this time? 6) The Claymation sequence is a stroke of genius for this time in television history. What, if anything, do you think of this scene's significance? 7) What is the purpose of David smashing the Bimmer until its damn near unrecognizable? What does the Bimmer symbolize in David's eye's? A. Maddie B. Their relationship C. David's heart D. Other Please explain why. 8) "Why shouldn't you get a chance? Why shouldn't any two people get a chance?" From this comment on, please discuss the range of emotions David displays through the end of this episode. Hopefully these questions are not too general or simple for the advanced 'essedness of this group ...have fun all! ;D PS. As you can also tell, my few questions turned into an all out 'essed questionnaire I probably should see someone LOL~
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 19:30:35 GMT -5
1) Why do you think Agnes is reluctant to have Bert discuss their night of betrothed bliss with David; after having the discussion in which David tells Agnes that he & Maddie's "date" was great?
Ya know, I was wondering about this myself. I thought David was very open, forthcoming and honest about his date with Maddie, and didn't see any reason for Agnes to doubt him. But as you mention here, she went completely "running silent" when Bert wanted to bring up their evening fling. I suppose she really didn't believe him and didn't want to twist that knife while it was still in the body.
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 19:32:35 GMT -5
2) At what point does David truly realize Maddie has "left the building"?
When he saw that she had taken her rather extensive collection of cosmetics, as well as enough clothing to last an entire African Safari. Hmm, Dave and Maddie on safari...that would have been a cool episode.
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 19:38:29 GMT -5
3) When Maddie arrives at her parents home, a conversation ensues which contains information for each of this two-parter.
a) Maddie comments, "This place never changes...I love that". What, if anything, do you draw from Maddie's comment?
Maddie was not completely running away from it "all", rather she was returning to a place where she felt comfortable, safe and protected. A place where she could contemplate and weigh all the pros and cons, the ins and outs, the yins and yangs of her situation, and hopefully come to some resolution. This feeling of contentment was important for her, otherwise she could have just absconded to Vegas or Vail and spent some time in solitude. Nah, she wanted to be there...not just anywhere.
b) Mr. Hayes makes several assumptions regarding David, Mrs. Hayes interrupts his dialogue between "two business people". Why is this?
Maddie is definitely Alexander's daughter, and he knows her more than he lets on...at least up to this point. He has an inkling that Maddie would be drawn to David. I can't for certain know how...let's just say father's intuition. Likewise, MOTHER'S intuition showed her that Maddie really wasn't comfortable with the line of commentary or questioning...and did her best to bring it to a quick conclusion.
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 19:58:34 GMT -5
4) In observing the phone conversation between Maddie & David, explain what each are feeling from your point of view.
Dave is pissed. She runs off, no note, no message, no singing telegram. He was less irritated by her departure than her not even giving a clue as to what happened. Yeah, Maddie says she didn't want him to talk her out of going, but she could have left a note or a message on the machine.
Now Maddie didn't want to do that by simple note because she wanted to tell him directly where she was, and to reinforce the "no visit, no call" rule. Otherwise you know darned well our hero would have hopped the first Pterodactyl Airlines flight to the Windy City!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 17, 2009 19:59:25 GMT -5
3) When Maddie arrives at her parents home, a conversation ensues which contains information for each of this two-parter.a) Maddie comments, "This place never changes...I love that". What, if anything, do you draw from Maddie's comment?b) Mr. Hayes makes several assumptions regarding David, Mrs. Hayes interrupts his dialogue between "two business people". Why is this?Maddie is definitely Alexander's daughter, and he knows her more than he lets on...at least up to this point. He has an inkling that Maddie would be drawn to David. I can't for certain know how...let's just say father's intuition. Likewise, MOTHER'S intuition showed her that Maddie really wasn't comfortable with the line of commentary or questioning...and did her best to bring it to a quick conclusion. I agree that he hasn't a clue that Maddie may have gotten involved with David as he would have NOT been so jovial in his conversation; even in his observations. Ole Alex would have been furious that his Baby Girl felt so out of control in her own business environment that she has to flee home to the safety of the nest. Mom, on the other hand, knows something's up but being the extremely patient matriarch she is (which is evident having been married to Alexander for so many years); Candy is willing to wait for the beans to spill while enjoying Maddie's 1st visit home in almost 4 years.
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Post by jpen on Nov 17, 2009 19:59:58 GMT -5
5) As we know, each case tackled by Blue Moon Investigations resembles a situation in which Maddie & David are facing personally. What do you believe this case has in common with Maddie & David's life at this time?
Donald Chase pretty much sums it up...to paraphrase: "I fell in love with a woman, and I think she fell in love with me. But now I don't know where to find her." (To which David responds: "There's a lot of that going on around here.")
But that's just the surface. On a deeper level...it turns out Melissa and Donald will go to some pretty great (or deep, as the case may be) lengths to be together. They face a huge obstacle, but overcome it as a team. Finally, they run away...together.
David, in the Claymation scene, says he wants to tackle his and Maddie's problems as a team...but his partner in crime ran away on her own, leaving him behind.
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 20:00:53 GMT -5
6) The Claymation sequence is a stroke of genius for this time in television history. What, if anything, do you think of this scene's significance?
Well, it WAS from David's point of view, but I think it did a good job of bringing a bit of Maddie into focus as well. David realized that there were big issues here, and that he and she have completely opposite ways of approaching a resolution. He was going to call, then his vision of Maddie the phone stopped him. He was going to fly out, but the vision of Maddie herself kept him in LA. The bit about her as a witch was a bit telling however, and if you notice, the Addison charm...even as a horny toad, works to change her from a nasty crone, to Maddie in a witch outfit (insert Gray fantasy here) and eventually to a fairy princess. He was convinced that he could still win her over, if only she would listen.
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:05:00 GMT -5
1) Why do you think Agnes is reluctant to have Bert discuss their night of betrothed bliss with David; after having the discussion in which David tells Agnes that he & Maddie's "date" was great?
Agnes knows all and sees all...nuff said.
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Post by jpen on Nov 17, 2009 20:06:08 GMT -5
3) When Maddie arrives at her parents home, a conversation ensues which contains information for each of this two-parter.
a) Maddie comments, "This place never changes...I love that". What, if anything, do you draw from Maddie's comment?Well, here we are, right back at the "safe" discussion. Maddie has faced some epic changes in her life in the past month, from the arrival of Sam to 3 1/2 weeks (or so) of prime-time thrashing with David. She's running scared...and running confused. To be in a place where nothing has changed, where even her childhood bedroom is still the same...well, it makes sense to me that she would hole up there, harkening back to a time when life was simpler for her. (BTW, I don't think it's any accident that the TV shows and movies that she watches there are oldies but goodies...) 3) b) Mr. Hayes makes several assumptions regarding David, Mrs. Hayes interrupts his dialogue between "two business people". Why is this?
Maddie is definitely Alexander's daughter, and he knows her more than he lets on...at least up to this point. He has an inkling that Maddie would be drawn to David. I can't for certain know how...let's just say father's intuition. Likewise, MOTHER'S intuition showed her that Maddie really wasn't comfortable with the line of commentary or questioning...and did her best to bring it to a quick conclusion.
Ditto for me, gray.
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:06:32 GMT -5
2) At what point does David truly realize Maddie has "left the building"?
After the client tells his story and leaves his office. He just knows...the look on his face when he comes in her house is one of pure dread...he knows and there is nothing he can do about it.
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Post by jpen on Nov 17, 2009 20:07:31 GMT -5
The bit about her as a witch was a bit telling however, and if you notice, the Addison charm...even as a horny toad, works to change her from a nasty crone, to Maddie in a witch outfit (insert Gray fantasy here) and eventually to a fairy princess. He was convinced that he could still win her over, if only she would listen. Nice point, gray...I hadn't thought of it in quite those terms!
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 20:10:33 GMT -5
7) What is the purpose of David smashing the Beemer until its damn near unrecognizable? What does the Beemer symbolize in David's eyes? Before I answer this my dear Since...it's a BIMMER!! Beemers (or Beamers) are BMW motorcycles. Bimmers are cars. Despite what David Addison calls them. You must remain after class for some corporal punishment. Now onto the answers...
A. Maddie: Nah, he would never hurt her, not physically and not intentionally psychologically either. I don't see that transference. B. Their relationship: The most likely answer. They had some of their most intense, and exciting times in that car. From fights, to chases, to, er, the act of procreation, the BMW symbolized THEM, not one apart from the other. C. David's heart: Umm, don't think HE would smash his heart...blondie did a good job of that first. D. Other: BMW actually did some changes to the 635CSi around this time, mostly with the redesign of the bumpers. This gave them a neat chance to change to the newer bodystyle without folks wondering what happened. (Of course, only a sharp eye can catch the newer car used in later episodes...look at the width of the black trim on the bumpers and the headlights for clues.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 17, 2009 20:11:00 GMT -5
1) Why do you think Agnes is reluctant to have Bert discuss their night of betrothed bliss with David; after having the discussion in which David tells Agnes that he & Maddie's "date" was great? I believe and agree with Gray as David seems very convincing and forcoming; yet, after a while my question becomes...is he attempting to convince Agnes or himself? Cue's that Agnes could have possibly taken to underscore the disbelief of her under confident employer is his uncharacteristic arrival to the office so early. As the eyes and ears of Blue Moon, Agnes is startled at the presence of David in his office. Possibly a hint that David was attempting to head Maddie off at the pass and see her; which gives an indication that their "date" didn't go as well as he has dictated or else they would have arrived within minutes of one another because they had spent the night together. Also, as I mentioned above, his attempt to convince himself that he's "got her".
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:13:45 GMT -5
4) In observing the phone conversation between Maddie & David, explain what each are feeling from your point of view.
David is angry and rightly so...but also scared, I think. Her leaving had pulled the rug out from under him.
Maddie, MAddie, MAddie...she is so confused and just plain tired from the emotional upheaval in her life and running a business at the same time. She's walled her heart up and using her brain way too much.
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