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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 20:14:06 GMT -5
1) Why do you think Agnes is reluctant to have Bert discuss their night of betrothed bliss with David; after having the discussion in which David tells Agnes that he & Maddie's "date" was great? As the eyes and ears of Blue Moon, Agnes is startled at the presence of David in his office. Possibly a hint that David was attempting to head Maddie off at the pass and see her; which gives an indication that their "date" didn't go as well as he has dictated or else they would have arrived within minutes of one another because they had spent the night together. Whoa. Well done.
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 20:16:02 GMT -5
I can fix it...my dad's a TV repairman...he has the ULTIMATE set of tools!
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 20:25:01 GMT -5
8) "Why shouldn't you get a chance? Why shouldn't any two people get a chance?" From this comment on, please discuss the range of emotions David displays through the end of this episode.
After the attempted Bimmercide, and the surprise in seeing Chase/Melissa, he went from a magnanimous jesture so they can be together, to a feeling of "why couldn't that be us" to funny David in flipping the keys to Bert to doubting David ("stupid") to emotionally exhausted David, in his chair at his desk. Wow.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 17, 2009 20:26:19 GMT -5
2) At what point does David truly realize Maddie has "left the building"? David knows Maddie is gone when he goes to her house & her prized make up is not in place on the vanity & her clothes are removed: Yet her departure doesn't fully sink in until he leaves the Bimmer, then re-enters for his seek & destroy mission towards the garage pillars. David then feels the void of Maddie's parting immensely, therefore the weight of his promise not to call or show up in Chicago crushes his heart right in his chest.
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:26:22 GMT -5
3) When Maddie arrives at her parents home, a conversation ensues which contains information for each of this two-parter. a) Maddie comments, "This place never changes...I love that". What, if anything, do you draw from Maddie's comment?
Well, imo, she seeks her parents approval, like a lot of people do. She subconsciously wants to surround herself with the expectations she grew up with and men like David were never in those high expectations of hers. She finds comfort in knowing that she can come there and find solitude in her parents home, live in her old room AND Avoid the real issues in her life. Not that I don't think she is mulling everything over and trying to figure her life issues out, but a part of her is running...and she doesn't stop until she signs annulment papers 5 months later...imo, of course!
b) Mr. Hayes makes several assumptions regarding David, Mrs. Hayes interrupts his dialogue between "two business people". Why is this?
Virginia is much like Agnes. She knows there is something going on with MAddie and knows better than to pry or force her to talk. Mothers and daughters tend to have that silent bond between them when Dad's need to be quiet!! Learned this from experience!! HA!
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 20:27:46 GMT -5
David sits at his desk, looking at the monitor at his Maddie and that interloper who has interfered with their relationship.
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:33:25 GMT -5
6) The Claymation sequence is a stroke of genius for this time in television history. What, if anything, do you think of this scene's significance?Well, it WAS from David's point of view, but I think it did a good job of bringing a bit of Maddie into focus as well. David realized that there were big issues here, and that he and she have completely opposite ways of approaching a resolution. He was going to call, then his vision of Maddie the phone stopped him. He was going to fly out, but the vision of Maddie herself kept him in LA. The bit about her as a witch was a bit telling however, and if you notice, the Addison charm...even as a horny toad, works to change her from a nasty crone, to Maddie in a witch outfit (insert Gray fantasy here) and eventually to a fairy princess. He was convinced that he could still win her over, if only she would listen. I don't even need to type for this one!! Nailed it Gray! Love how this is DAvid's dream and how his thoughts address the real issues of what is going on in their relationship. As if he is really, really trying to understand what Maddie is going through. ok, so I typed a little....
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:41:27 GMT -5
7) What is the purpose of David smashing the Beemer until its damn near unrecognizable? What does the Beemer symbolize in David's eye's? David usually fights his emotions by physically lashing out with anything he can get his hands on. I don't think he is a violent person per se, but one who vents by breaking things. We've seen it with beer bottles, his office in Sam and Dave and now with Maddie's car. In DAvid's eyes, the Bimmer is their relationship. And remember, he thinks he caused the death of Cinderella until she appears in the garage. Mere frustration with a situation that is out of control. And he loves her so much...sigh...
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:47:42 GMT -5
The bit about her as a witch was a bit telling however, and if you notice, the Addison charm...even as a horny toad, works to change her from a nasty crone, to Maddie in a witch outfit (insert Gray fantasy here) and eventually to a fairy princess. He was convinced that he could still win her over, if only she would listen. Nice point, gray...I hadn't thought of it in quite those terms! Totally agree. If only she would listen to him and her heart... Gray, love your avatar! I know your cute little face is being kissed!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 17, 2009 20:47:52 GMT -5
3) When Maddie arrives at her parents home, a conversation ensues which contains information for each of this two-parter. a) Maddie comments, "This place never changes...I love that". What, if anything, do you draw from Maddie's comment? b) Mr. Hayes makes several assumptions regarding David, Mrs. Hayes interrupts his dialogue between "two business people". Why is this? a) Yeah, what Gray said b) Mrs. Hayes sees the discomfort in Maddie's face although her Dad is basically eye to eye with Maddie but is seemingly oblivious to it. Candy sees her daughter pain & decides to step in because she knows Maddie was not ready to deal with her situation in LA.
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:51:02 GMT -5
agree that he hasn't a clue that Maddie may have gotten involved with David as he would have NOT been so jovial in his conversation; even in his observations.
Ole Alex would have been furious that his Baby Girl felt so out of control in her own business environment that she has to flee home to the safety of the nest. since
This is what I mean by seeking approval from her parents, especially her dad. And why David doesn't fit her mold of who she thinks she is suppose to be with.
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:54:44 GMT -5
I can fix it...my dad's a TV repairman...he has the ULTIMATE set of tools! LOL!! It took a few passes to catch this!! Very funny!
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 20:56:17 GMT -5
8) "Why shouldn't you get a chance? Why shouldn't any two people get a chance?" From this comment on, please discuss the range of emotions David displays through the end of this episode.After the attempted Bimmercide, and the surprise in seeing Chase/Melissa, he went from a magnanimous jesture so they can be together, to a feeling of "why couldn't that be us" to funny David in flipping the keys to Bert to doubting David ("stupid") to emotionally exhausted David, in his chair at his desk. Wow. I'm just gonna keep quoting gray.....it's easier.... Bruce was fabulous in conveying all of these emotions, no?
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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 17, 2009 21:00:48 GMT -5
4) In observing the phone conversation between Maddie & David, explain what each are feeling from your point of view. David is super angry, venomously spewing his sarcasm at the object of his affections. His hurt only surpasses his antagonism once he hears Maddie's reaction and the pain in her voice. Maddie is afraid of his response although she knew he would be angry but hearing his hurt places her tone at a whimper. Maddie feels badly that she has left him in the dark place but not about her decision to leave LA. As a whole, this is the saddest and most intense scene in this episode; I actually teared up because I felt the angst of two people in love, no longer able to control their emotions. Both have their cards on the table and their hearts on their sleeves, even though it's over the telephone. Bruce and Cybill's performances are so compelling, their star crossed torment made my stomach quiver.
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graycav56
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Post by graycav56 on Nov 17, 2009 21:05:26 GMT -5
As a whole, this is the saddest and most intense scene in this episode; I actually teared up because I felt the angst of two people in love, no longer able to control their emotions. Both have their cards on the table and their hearts on their sleeve, even over the telephone. Fully agree Since. This is one of those scenes that hurts you to watch, but you have to for the character development.
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