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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 17, 2009 22:44:39 GMT -5
I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate Sinceifell4you on achieving the coveted 3rd Star! See, good things happen to people who make up the weekly questions! Yay, since! You go girl!! Thanks Guys! ;D WOW, I was just thinking the other day because I have missed so many "days from school" that I would never get to 3 stars...YAAAAAAAAAAAY (Maddie's voice when baby Walter Hayes Addison Knowles is born)
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Post by jpen on Nov 17, 2009 22:52:44 GMT -5
I gotta say...and I'm probably in the minority here...I think there's a part of David that actually believes the line of BS he's giving Agnes. (The rest of him WANTS to believe it really, really badly.) Hope springs almost eternal in David Addison--look at the expression on his face when Maddie comes back in "Tracks of My Tears"--and I think, in spite of their date not ending up where he would've liked, he still has the memory of holding her in his arms, and hearing her say, "You're not gonna dance here with anybody else, are you?" Until he sees all those empty hangers in the closet... Maybe more "hope" than "belief", he is babbling a little too much. David's answers are usually calculated and precise, his confidence seems to be lacking here. But that's my smelly opinion~ Yes, since, you are probably right to distinguish between the two. I didn't mean to suggest that he's not aware that he's laying it on with a trowel--he definitely is aware--but just that the door is still open, just a crack, here. One of the things that makes the last scene so painful, I think, is his sense of hopelessness--reminds me of that first scene of Sam & Dave, when he covers his eyes with those poor bandaged fingers...but even more desolate. (And your opinions smell just fine! ;D)
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 17, 2009 23:02:47 GMT -5
Gotta go folks. Have an early tee time in the morning! Fun times were had by...me!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 17, 2009 23:48:48 GMT -5
7) What is the purpose of David smashing the Beemer until its damn near unrecognizable? What does the Beemer symbolize in David's eyes? Before I answer this my dear Since...it's a BIMMER!! Beemers (or Beamers) are BMW motorcycles. Bimmers are cars. Despite what David Addison calls them. You must remain after class for some corporal punishment. Now onto the answers... Oh how did I miss this my dear Gray?! I'm ashamed and thoroughly apologetic especially because the BMW 325i was my first real car! I should've known better, as such, I have remained after class to review the professor's answer sheet!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Nov 18, 2009 0:23:01 GMT -5
OMG--I had never seen this--were the 80s AWESOME or what?!? Yeah, I actually found it by accident when I was trying to find some clips of the Claymation promos that Bravo used for Moonlighting. Loop Animation made some using regular dialogue, but I have never seen them posted on YouTube or anywhere else for that matter. Sorry to go off topic, but I thought folks would want to see that. Oh how cute!! I smiled through the entire episode, Brittany is just as temperamental as out Beloved Maddie! My daughter walked by, paused & shook her head...I think she's gonna try to commit me when she is 18 LOL~
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Post by lin212 on Nov 18, 2009 20:17:02 GMT -5
1 ) Why do you think Agnes is reluctant to have Bert discuss their night of betrothed bliss with David; after having the discussion in which David tells Agnes that he & Maddie's "date" was great?I agree that Agnes has known David a long time and probably is not convinced that all was as wonderful as he would like her to believe. She did have great radar when it came to David and Maddie. So, she would be reluctant for Bert to go on and on about their wonderful evening. But I also got the feeling that she was a bit embarrassed by Bert's behavior and by his innuendos about how they spent their night.
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Post by lin212 on Nov 18, 2009 20:24:06 GMT -5
2) At what point does David truly realize Maddie has "left the building"?I think that it hits David when he looks in the bathroom and sees that the vanity counter is pretty bare - no toothbrush in sight. Then the empty dresser and closet seal the deal. I want to know how many suitcases Maddie took to Chicago.
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Post by diane on Nov 18, 2009 20:25:58 GMT -5
1) Why do you think Agnes is reluctant to have Bert discuss their night of betrothed bliss with David; after having the discussion in which David tells Agnes that he & Maddie's "date" was great?
Two reasons, I think. First Agnes pretty much knows that David is feeding her a pile of you know what about the date. Agnes always has a sixth sense ( no pun intended) about David, and she senses something is amiss. So I think her first instinct is to keep Bert away from prying too much...we know both and his verbal blunders!!! And I believe she is afraid that if Bert builds up how wonderful their date was....it will get David thinking even more about his....and it will come up wanting.
Secondly, I think Agnes is a little embarassed....she very much looks up to D&M, and does not share Bert's idea that they are buddies......She does not consider she and Bert on the same level with M&D......and she wants to get him out of there before he embarrasses her any further.......but he still sneaks in the double date reference before she yanks him out of the room.
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Post by diane on Nov 18, 2009 20:28:59 GMT -5
2) At what point does David truly realize Maddie has "left the building"?
Oh I'm pretty sure he has doubts from the moment she left the laundromat, but he is going to hang on hoping till the bitter end -- when he sees the empty hangers swinging in the closet.
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Post by lin212 on Nov 18, 2009 20:34:55 GMT -5
3) When Maddie arrives at her parents home, a conversation ensues which contains information for each of this two-parter.
a) Maddie comments, "This place never changes...I love that". What, if anything, do you draw from Maddie's comment?Well, here we are, right back at the "safe" discussion. Maddie has faced some epic changes in her life in the past month, from the arrival of Sam to 3 1/2 weeks (or so) of prime-time thrashing with David. She's running scared...and running confused. To be in a place where nothing has changed, where even her childhood bedroom is still the same...well, it makes sense to me that she would hole up there, harkening back to a time when life was simpler for her. (BTW, I don't think it's any accident that the TV shows and movies that she watches there are oldies but goodies...) Totally agree, jen. Even though Maddie claimed that she went away to sort things out, it feels more like she ran away so she wouldn't have to face her situation. She wanted to hide in her parents' house, avoiding contact with anyone...the old "crawl in bed and pull the blankets over my head" routine.
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Post by lin212 on Nov 18, 2009 20:40:51 GMT -5
b) Mr. Hayes makes several assumptions regarding David, Mrs. Hayes interrupts his dialogue between "two business people". Why is this?
I think Mrs. Hayes immediately senses Maddie's discomfort when David's name is brought into the conversation. Mrs. Hayes glances over at Maddie and knows that there is something that Maddie isn't sharing. By changing the subject, Mrs. Hayes is rescuing Maddie from an awkward situation.
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Post by diane on Nov 18, 2009 20:49:05 GMT -5
3. When Maddie arrives at her parents home, a conversation ensues which contains information for each of this two-parter.
a) Maddie comments, "This place never changes...I love that". What, if anything, do you draw from Maddie's comment?
Maddie is looking for a hole to crawl into....or a bed to crawl under. She wants to go somewhere will she will be petted and adored......not challenged and stimulated. She wants to be a child again...and not have to make decisions....and what better place to do it than your childhood home?
b) Mr. Hayes makes several assumptions regarding David, Mrs. Hayes interrupts his dialogue between "two business people". Why is this?
Every time I watch this scene, I shake my head and mutter...."men"....(sorry, gray).
Maddie's Mom knows everything......I am certain that they have a very close relationship, and chat on the phone several times a week (contrary to what Sam assumes in I Am Curious)....the car scene in this episode is one of my favorites in the entire series......I guess cause it reminds me of the many times my Mom and I end up riding around in a car...laughing like lunatics at some silly stuff.
Not that Maddie has discussed the relationship with David with her Mom. But in normal conversation, telling about her life and her business, I am sure David's name came up enough, and with all different kinds of nuances, in a way that gave Mrs. Hayes a sense of what was going on.
So when Dad starts questioning Maddie, the facial expressions of both Mom and Maddie are priceless. Mom tried to head him off........much in the same way that Agnes tries to shut Bert up in the earlier scene. Mr. Hayes is truly overjoyed to have her home.......but puzzled because he is thinking like a business man.......seems to me that although he truly loves his daughter, Mrs. Hayes is the one who does most of the normal communicating with Maddie...and then relates the conversations to her husband......which is something pretty typical in communicating with adult children, I think.
His way of communicating is gathering information....and at this juncture Maddie doesn't have much, and is withholding what she does have......so Dad's questions make Maddie uncomfortable, and Mom, seeing this, tries to bail her out.
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Post by diane on Nov 18, 2009 20:54:19 GMT -5
4) In observing the phone conversation between Maddie & David, explain what each are feeling from your point of view
David is angry and upset. He is so happy, he has finally gotten what he has dreamed of, and he cannot fathom why Maddie is unhappy......why she has to doubt everything.
Maddie is a fumbling mess......she clearly cannot explain what is wrong, and has chosen running as her method of dealing...or not dealing. This further frustrates David, especially when she starts setting the ground rules.
But he loves her, so he is going to go along with it....no matter how crazy he thinks it is and how unhappy it makes him.
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Post by lin212 on Nov 18, 2009 20:56:47 GMT -5
7) What is the purpose of David smashing the Bimmer until its damn near unrecognizable? What does the Bimmer symbolize in David's eye's? A. Maddie B. Their relationship C. David's heart D. Other Please explain why.
I believe that the Bimmer symbolizes their relationship. It was something they shared and where many of their intimate conversations (not to mention make out sessions) took place. David was totally destroyed at this moment. He had opened himself up to Maddie and had given her his heart only to have it trampled - shades of Tess and Gillian. He reacted as we know David can - taking out his frustration on the nearest inanimate object. He thought by demolishing the car, he would find some satisfaction, but it didn't work. The ache was still there.
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Post by diane on Nov 18, 2009 21:03:35 GMT -5
5) As we know, each case tackled by Blue Moon Investigations resembles a situation in which Maddie & David are facing personally. What do you believe this case has in common with Maddie & David's life at this time?
I would think the underlying message would be trust, with a little bit of love conquers all mixed in.
David sees that this couple has succeeded in finding and keeping each other, against what seem like insurmountable odds, and cannot understand why he and Maddie cannot make what seems so simple to him work!
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