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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 0:54:10 GMT -5
diane, it's a reference to the last scene between Maddie and her mom in Every Daughter's Father is a Virgin. Virginia waxes philosophical about holding onto things in life that are good, right, and meant to be. She finishes the monologue with, "Your mother philosopherrrr...'Candy' Hayes...wasn't there an actor with that name?" and then segues into what's troubling Maddie. So, I suppose it's being used here as an affectionate nod to "Candy's" intuitiveness. Thanx Witness, I didn't see this before I responded. I would have gladly nodded to your response because it is so much clearer than mine LOL~ Hahaha....I thought I was losing my mind. Hate to disillusion you folks......but what Maddie's mom says in that scene is, "Your mother, the philosopher.....Ghandi Hayes." maybe it was Eva Marie Saint's take on a Chicago accent that made it rhyme with Candy.
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Post by witness on Nov 19, 2009 2:36:31 GMT -5
diane, now you got me wondering...is that what it says in your script or something? Otherwise why would she follow up "Ghandi Hayes" with "wasn't there an actor with that name?" then have Maddie correct her: "Gaby Hayes." Doesn't make sense.
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 2:54:56 GMT -5
Well, I never heard it as Candy, which is why you all had me so confused. I did check the script which clearly says Ghandi. And doesn't it make more sense? Ghandi was a philosopher, which is the point of the sentence...saying that Maddie's mother is a philosopher aka Ghandi Hayes. Then using alliteration, the word Ghandi flows to Gabby, the actor. Hate to burst your bubble......but Mrs. Hayes is definitely not a "Candy". Maybe a Ginny if she's had one too many glasses of champagne, though!!
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 3:19:03 GMT -5
ok...here are some of the script deviations for Shiksa.......
In the scene with David in the office, a few of these lines were cut and there are some interesting stage directions:
DIPESTO: That's great! What did you do?
DAVID: Do? (and then) Well..... (and then) ...danced in a laundromat.
DIPESTO (truly impressed): Wow.
DAVID (considering that; no longer sure of himself) : Yeah....wow.
(and then...with new conviction)
Hell, I've got her. Three years...a great date....I've got her. She's got me. We're on to the next phase. The big "C". Commitment. Chapter two in the Decline and Fall of the Roamin' Addison
(and then; talking himself into it)
Yeah, I've got her.......no question about it......sure.....(and then)...I mean, once you've danced in a laundromat, can a two-car garage be far behind?
...but David looks at....
DIPESTO
...who has a look on her face that says she understands everything he ISN'T saying as well as what he IS saying.........and then......
DAVID
...looks at her for a moment.....and WALKS slowly over to his desk....SITTING DOWN on it....and then.....
DAVID (softly; smiling to himself): She has a doubt or two....wants to think about.....things....
(and then, not quite so cocky as before)
Doesn't worry me, though.....Not in the least.....Good night's sleep....dream or two about yours truly...and everything'll be hunky dory.
ANOTHER ANGLE
to include Dipesto.......
DIPESTO (putting the best face on) : Sure it will.
..and they both smile.....then sit there awkwardly for a moment.....and then....
DIPESTO: Well....
DAVID: Well....
...and there's an awkward moment...and then......
This is where Bert enters, and it goes on as aired.
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 3:29:55 GMT -5
Script stuff: A few lines omitted the Bert/David meeting after Chase leaves the office.
THE RECEPTION AREA
....As David comes through his office door...slipping on his jacket......
DAVID (sharply): Viola! Front and Center. Got a mission for you.
VIOLA (suddenly appearing) : Great! You name it. Some dangerous intrigue? Some exotic locale?
DAVID: Definitely. My top desk drawer. Get out the yellow pages and your best finger. I need to find the store this came from.
(TOSSING him the earring)..I also need to borrow your car.
....Viola hesitates...then, seeing David means it, he takes his keys out and hands them to David...who takes them and starts out the door.....then stops, turning back.....
DAVID: If management comes in, tell them I'm out shoeing some gum.....
amd he quickly EXITS...leaving Viola and Dipesto a little bewildered in his wake.
(DISCLAIMER: Didn't get to rewatch this part.....big scratch on my DVD....no worries, ordered a new set as soon as I discovered it....BUT....my recollection is that this scene is a little different than aired, especially the comment about "management". Am I right?
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 3:32:18 GMT -5
Time to snooze......a little more tomorrow.....
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Post by witness on Nov 19, 2009 3:35:56 GMT -5
Well, I never heard it as Candy, which is why you all had me so confused. I did check the script which clearly says Ghandi. And doesn't it make more sense? Ghandi was a philosopher, which is the point of the sentence...saying that Maddie's mother is a philosopher aka Ghandi Hayes. Then using alliteration, the word Ghandi flows to Gabby, the actor. Hate to burst your bubble......but Mrs. Hayes is definitely not a "Candy". Maybe a Ginny if she's had one too many glasses of champagne, though!! Points taken, diane . It does make more sense in terms of her philosophizing, not in terms of asking right after if there's an actor with that name. But "Candy" never seemed to fit either. Anyway, as gray once said re: my use of "dichotomous", it pays to increase your word power. I had to look up "alliteration" just now
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 19, 2009 7:51:52 GMT -5
Gosh!! The scene with Agnes in David's office "feels" really different when you read it. He really was trying to reassure himself more than anyone else! This is a very sweet conversation between him and Agnes, something that would have been nice to see more of, I think.....Wow!! The writers had David Addison talking about 2 car garages and the "C" word! Boy would I have loved to have heard the debate as to why they changed that scene. Thanks Diane for the extra footage! Just love it...so interesting!
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Post by lin212 on Nov 19, 2009 10:02:00 GMT -5
diane, thanks for the script changes. The scene in the office with Agnes really shows David's uncertainty about Maddie, much more so than the final version. And the scene with Bert - that isn't in the show at all, so it helps to explain why Bert was the one to chase down the origin of the earring. And I guess it also explains how David got to Maddie's house only to discover that she was gone. Awesome.
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 10:48:58 GMT -5
Thanks Lin and Bees.....I think a lot of my opinions have been colored by not only what aired, but what is in the scripts, and a lot of the time, I forget which is which.
We did discuss at one point all of us getting the script for one episode, and using that in the discussion. Is that still on the table?
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 11:13:44 GMT -5
More script......there are a few lines left out of Alex's speeches upon Maddie's arrival at home.....
ALEX: Which reminds me, how's that partner of yours?
MADDIE ( looking up, taken by surprise) : David.....?
ALEX: Yeah, David. (and then) Now there's a character...the genuine article. (to Virginia) We really liked that guy, didn't we?
.....and.....
ANOTHER ANGLE
...Virginia just smiles....
VIRGINIA: Yes, we did....
...and looks at....
MADDIE
...this is something she would rather not discuss....
MADDIE (an embarassed smile) : You only met him once.....
ANOTHER ANGLE
...to include all three....
ALEX: True, but I'm here to tell you, he leaves quite an impression...so how's he doing?
MADDIE: He's doing just fine, Dad.
ALEX: Yeah, seems like someone who always lands on his feet....
(and then; a hint of fatherly advice)
Although...something tells me he's a little tough to pin down, that one...not a long haul kind of guy when it comes to...you know....commitment and the like....just a feeling I got...
MADDIE (managing a weak smile) : Yes, well...
ALEX: Don't get me wrong, he seems like a real pro at the job, you just wonder if he'll stick around...(laughs).......a little too single, if you know what I mean.....(and then; quickly) Not that there's anything wrong with that. Like I said, we like the guy.
VIRGINIA (trying gently to divert him) : Alex....
ALEX (no harm meant) : Hey, just one businessman talking to another....(and then) It simply seems to me that anyone who'd hook up with a guy like that might be in for a short ride.....a helluva good time, sure, but still a short ride.....
MADDIE (firmly) : DAD...... VIRGINIA (sensing) : Alex......
....and.....
ALEX
.....stops....taken aback.....and.....
VIRGINIA
...just looks at him...not harshly......but no mistaking her meaning....and then......
MADDIE
...looks down....embarrassed....unsure of what to say....and then.....
ON ALEX
...as he smiles.....realizing...and then.....
ALEX: Guess I'm just battin' the breeze, huh? (and then) Just glad to see you, that's all......
...and....
MADDIE
...looks up at him and smiles.....then gets up and CROSSES to him....
MADDIE: Me too, Dad.... (KISSING him on the forehead) I'm just a little tired......the flight and all.....(and then; to both) maybe I should go up to my room and lie down for a while...
ANOTHER ANGLE
...as her parents STAND as well....
VIRGINIA: That's probably a good idea.....(to Alex) We left her luggage in the car, Alex, if you could...
ALEX: sure, sure, you two go on up.....
and
ON ALEX
...as he watches them EXIT.....smiling......but we sense that it's an unsure smile......
(This scene goes directly into the next post)
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 11:42:57 GMT -5
I'm putting in the next scene.....a lot of which was either changed or deleted...to give some insight into Maddie's childhood home, as well as to show that her reentry into the family home was quite unexpected.
CUT TO:
THE HALLWAY UPSTAIRS
...as Virginia and Maddie top the stairs and walk down the hall......
VIRGINIA: You'll have to overlook the mess, I didn't have time to.....
MADDIE (smiles) : Mom, it's okay, really....I don't want to be a bother. I'm sure the room'll be.....
and they OPEN the door into......
MADDIE'S ROOM
...the two framed in the doorway...
MADDIE (trailing off) : ...fine.....
...and we see....
ANOTHER ANGLE
...that the room has been turned into a mini-warehouse.....boxes stacked about......piles of books......magazines......clothes......all destined for the Goodwill....an exercycle that's no longer used.....the drawn curtains adding to the dusty atmosphere......and amid all the clutter is a teenage bed....furniture....a princess phone on the nightstand.....and then.....
ON MADDIE
...as she manages a smile.....
MADDIE (trying to be cheery) : Few extra things.....
...and then... STEPPING INTO the room....looking about....walking towards the bed.....
MADDIE: My bedroom set....(shaking head)...I can't believe I actually picked this out myself....(and then; noticing) Didn't I have a picture....above the lamp...two ponies?
...and Virginia steps up behind her......
VIRGINIA: You remember that? I took that down eight or ten years ago.
MADDIE (turns to her; amazed) : Really? Eight or ten years?
VIRGINIA: Well.....( a laugh)...I knocked it down when I was cleaning.....broke the glass.....I just never put it back up.....
...and Virginia watches as Maddie looks about some more....then.....
ALEX'S VOICE (O.C.) : Never WERE one to travel light....
ON THE DOOR
....As Alex enters, slightly winded...a large suitcase in each hand and a smaller suitcase under each arm......
ALEX (to Ginny) : I told you we should have put her bedroom on the first floor.....
ALEX (cont'd)
(setting luggage down; noticing the mess) : Criminey, would you look at all this stuff? Let me move some of this out of.......
MADDIE: No, Dad.....Mom....I insist.....I'll move what I need to move. Really. No special treatment...you just....go on about your business......like I'm not even here and I'll just lie down....for a bit....(and then; a smile) Okay?
ON ALEX AND VIRGINIA
...clearly a little perplexed.....but then....
VIRGINIA: Fine, darling...
ALEX: No problem....
...and then.....
ON MADDIE
...as she just looks at them...and then....
MADDIE (a shrug) : Well.....
...and....
ON ALEX AND VIRGINIA
....looking at her.....
VIRGINIA : Well...... ALEX : Well.......
...and.....
ON MADDIE
...as she smiles awkwardly....and then.....
MADDIE (shrugs; nothing else to say) : Thanks.....
ON ALEX AND VIRGINIA
...as they react.....then nod, smiling.....
ALEX: Sleep tight...
and they BACK OUT of the room into....
THE HALL
...where they stand for a moment.....exchanging a look of concern...and .....
BACK IN THE ROOM
...Maddie finally sits on the down on the bed......still taking it in.....looking very alone amid all the clutter and the adolescent trappings...very much like she looked at the airport.....but she doesn't lie down...just stares off at nothing in particular for the longest time.......
END SCENE
I like this description because to me, it seems like the logical companion piece to the earlier scene with David at his desk.......we see Maddie go through her anguish, just as we have seen David go through his. I'm sorry the scene was cut.
We also find out two other things....first, she did take enough luggage to justify all those empty drawers and closets.....AND, now you can see the real setting from which she makes the phone call to David.
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 11:47:33 GMT -5
The beginning part of Maddie's phone call to David was cut......not extremely significant...but here it is:
DAVID
...takes a breath.....then GRABS the phone...not at all calmed down from his earlier pique.....
DAVID (angry; into the phone) : So? What's the problem? Need me to turn off your oven? I'm surprised Maddie....you...forgetting something like that...turning things off seems to be something you're doing a lot of lately......
Phone call continues as aired.
P.S. Later in the call, David asks for a split screen, and gets one....for just a few seconds while they exchange the following:
MADDIE ( clearly upset) : David...this is very difficult....
DAVID: You're telling me it's difficult...
..and there is a LONG SILENCE....and then....finally.....
DAVID: Are you going to say something?
...and Maddie just sits there for A LONG MOMENT...and then...we GO OUT OF SPLIT SCREEN....and
phone call continues as aired......
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Post by diane on Nov 19, 2009 11:56:16 GMT -5
Other than a longer version of the Bimmercide in which David begins by taking an extended, almost deathwish-like wild ride through some city streets and the garage....that's all folks.....
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Post by beesnbears on Nov 19, 2009 13:41:36 GMT -5
Thanks Lin and Bees.....I think a lot of my opinions have been colored by not only what aired, but what is in the scripts, and a lot of the time, I forget which is which. We did discuss at one point all of us getting the script for one episode, and using that in the discussion. Is that still on the table? I'm not opposed to this. I have a few...though I couldn't tell you off the top of my head which ones......it's that oldtimers thing again....
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