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Post by beesnbears on Feb 2, 2010 23:56:15 GMT -5
8. “Extra credit”: Any of you film buffs want to comment on the episode title?"The management of this forum suggests that for the greater entertainment of your friends who have not yet seen the picture, you will not divulge the secret to anyone, of the ending of Witness for the Prosecution." Wow, I made it through all the Q's by myself...alone...solo...sans buddies. It wasn't...well, fun. I must admit I can't remember if I've seen the movie....but this kind of stuff drives me crazy so now guess what movie I will be watching later this week? Sorry you were lonely Gray... I really enjoyed your responses though!
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Post by rose35 on Feb 3, 2010 10:53:49 GMT -5
1. As in other episodes, David starts off here considerably the worse (or better, depending on your point of view) for his weekend. What, if any, significance does this have for the rest of the episode?I think it nests perfectly. You have Maddie who lives for work...the Monday to Friday...the nine to five or later. You have David who works to live...the weekend binge...the late or over nighters. Then you have Mr. Everett who has nothing to live for in his opinion, no work, no play, just painful existence. Finally you have his daughter...now, what does SHE look forward to? She has obviously devoted her life...maybe spent most of it, caring for her father. What is next for her but being a footnote at family gatherings, coming and leaving alone. WOw Gray what insight you have written here! I think you said alot! Great answer! Love the new avatar too wow you sure are one busy guy,you get all the good scenes with Maddie!
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Post by rose35 on Feb 3, 2010 10:57:55 GMT -5
2. Why does Maddie love Monday mornings? Well i think we all know by now Maddie lives to work right now. She doesnt seem to have many friends or really any type of social life. I think her parents especially her Dad instilled that work ethic in her that work is important ,she really never takes any time out for play. But i also think now since she stated at Blue Moon as time goes by maybe shes is starting to look forward to Mondays to see David too LOL Maybe a little
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Post by rose35 on Feb 3, 2010 10:59:08 GMT -5
Great Qs, jen, real noggin' thumpers. This is going to take some deep thinking... Yes great questions! Thanks for doing them!
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Post by jpen on Feb 3, 2010 15:05:33 GMT -5
5. The Garage: Feel free to analyze, scrutinize, fantasize…(bearing in mind that this is a family forum, people! ) WHY, after holding back tears, not wanting David to leave, pulling him into an embrace and letting the tears flow, does Maddie tell David he smells awful?! Maddie, Maddie, Maddie! He was being nice and sincere...just the way you always want him to be....sigh! That has always bugged me about as much as the epilogue! bees, I've always seen this as a very Moonlighting moment, where David and Maddie use language to divert emotion--similar to David's "photos" question in "Every Daughter's." She's overwhelmed, but doesn't want to admit it, so she says the first (nonemotional) thing that pops into her head. I also equate it to the trunk scene in "Maddie's Turn..."--aah, the sweet sound of "I hate you"! ;D
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Post by jpen on Feb 3, 2010 15:16:43 GMT -5
Wow...I seem to be flying solo tonight... ah well. 6. Do you see any changes in Maddie during the course of this episode?One of the several changes are that she starts out, rightly so, seeing that David's behavior is detrimental to him, and to the agency. As the show goes on, she also sees that his ABSENCE is likewise detrimental to HER, and to the agency. Nailed it Gray! Which brings me to the question about the epilogue. I have always carried a love-hate thing for that scene!! They were geniuses to write it the way they did...kept us tuning in and begging for more. And it is what they do, right? Backpedal?! But what I love-hate about the scene is that we see Maddie come into David's office ready to discuss the kiss in the garage...until she sees David take a step away from being the first to admit that it really did happen. She seems ready to admit it herself, but believes down to her soul...or maybe her toes...that she must hear David say it first. The look of disappointment on her face makes me feel bad for her every time I watch it. As for David, do you guys...Gray in particular, think he picked up on her disappointment? What kept him from being the first to admit it? It's one of those "put your head in an oven" moments!! I feel your pain, bees. This scene is incredibly well-crafted...the subtleties of expression are amazing, and from minute-to-minute, the whole story could go either way. If David kept his adorable grin on, or if Maddie smiled bigger when he said "About the garage..."--they could've been in each other's arms. (And may I just say that I would've planted one on David from the get-go, shaving cream notwithstanding. But I digress.) I agree with gray that it was unlikely that the true course of love would run smooth from here on out. And I love how the kiss is used later, in "Wonderful Job" ("You kissed me once...in a garage"). But still, it's so clear that they're both disappointed...makes it a little hard to watch. As for your question, bees: I do think David realizes that something has gone awry. To me, he has a look like, "How did I screw that up?" combined with frustration that Maddie put her game face back on. Watch his look when she says "What about the garage?"--it's like he knows she's bluffing, but he's too afraid (or proud) to call her on it. Typical of their relationship...neither wants to give an inch before the other.
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Post by graycav56 on Feb 3, 2010 18:08:43 GMT -5
As for David, do you guys...Gray in particular, think he picked up on her disappointment? What kept him from being the first to admit it? It's one of those "put your head in an oven" moments!! Lemme re-rewatch the end scene, skull it over a bit and I'll reply.
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Post by graycav56 on Feb 3, 2010 18:10:24 GMT -5
Love the new avatar too wow you sure are one busy guy,you get all the good scenes with Maddie! Yeah, my agent wants to increase his fees....I may have to ante up!
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Post by graycav56 on Feb 3, 2010 18:11:25 GMT -5
Great Qs, jen, real noggin' thumpers. This is going to take some deep thinking... Yes great questions! Thanks for doing them! Same here! In Army parlance...HOOAH!!
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Post by graycav56 on Feb 3, 2010 18:32:59 GMT -5
Which brings me to the question about the epilogue. I have always carried a love-hate thing for that scene!! They were geniuses to write it the way they did...kept us tuning in and begging for more. And it is what they do, right? Backpedal?! But what I love-hate about the scene is that we see Maddie come into David's office ready to discuss the kiss in the garage...until she sees David take a step away from being the first to admit that it really did happen. She seems ready to admit it herself, but believes down to her soul...or maybe her toes...that she must hear David say it first. The look of disappointment on her face makes me feel bad for her every time I watch it. As for David, do you guys...Gray in particular, think he picked up on her disappointment? What kept him from being the first to admit it? It's one of those "put your head in an oven" moments!! OK, let ME backpedal a second. To the previous scene where David comes up from "underground". Am I the only one here who didn't think they got horizontal at the end of THAT scene??? Now we all know they didn't...but I distinctly remember watching that air on ABC and me damn near leaping out of my chair with pride that Dear Ol', Wet Ol', Smelly Ol', Broke Ol' Dave finally bagged the prom queen! It was a great day for red blooded American males everywhere! So, in the FOLLOWING scene, I thought our two heroes had something much more interesting to discuss than a smooch in the parking lot. Alas, I was a victim of my own late 20's hormones (is there such a thing??) and the lip lock was the extent of the sensual banter for this episode. I could live with that. So now onto that scene. Maddie comes to Dave first, and it is DAVE who brings up the garage....not Maddie. Maddie's reply of "What about the garage?" obviously gave Dave the impression that she didn't consider it a big deal. And if SHE didn't think it was a big deal, then HE obviously wouldn't make much out of it. Remember the power structure at this point. Early in the episode she made it perfectly clear that she was the owner, the boss. SHE made the rules. If she didn't think it was a big deal, then no way Dave was going to defy that order...explicit or not. I think it would have been different if Maddie had been the first to serve volley, but it was Dave.
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Post by jpen on Feb 3, 2010 23:58:18 GMT -5
OK, let ME backpedal a second. To the previous scene where David comes up from "underground". Am I the only one here who didn't think they got horizontal at the end of THAT scene??? Gray, you're not alone. That's where I got the idea for "About the Garage": just picturing them, lying on the floor (post-tackle)...pretty dang suggestive, if you ask me! ;D
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Post by beesnbears on Feb 4, 2010 20:32:05 GMT -5
Re:As for David, do you guys...Gray in particular, think he picked up on her disappointment? What kept him from being the first to admit it? I think it would have been different if Maddie had been the first to serve volley, but it was Dave. Gray I agree, David brought up the garage first, but I get the impression before Maddie comes into his office that she was going to bring it up or hint around but acted "dumb" when he did so first. I still think she wanted him to say what that moment meant to him first. I guess the better question would be why did Maddie go all "ambivalent" on David? And if he had fessed up first do you think she would have have done her own fessing up? ...okay, my head is out of the oven now...
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Post by witness on Feb 6, 2010 2:35:28 GMT -5
Feel free to add more…witness, I bet you’ve got some good ones! ;D jen, I wish you wouldn't come at me with these high-pressure tactics . Especially when you've covered all the bases with this veritable plethora of skull-busting queries !
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Post by witness on Feb 6, 2010 3:26:47 GMT -5
1. As in other episodes, David starts off here considerably the worse (or better, depending on your point of view) for his weekend. What, if any, significance does this have for the rest of the episode? I think it holds significance in light of hearing Lawrence Everett's cry for help. Prior to his arrival, Maddie and David were having yet another argument over his lack of decorum and reckless lifestyle. Both strive to achieve a quality of life, each along divergent paths. In comes Mr. Everett, whose quality of life is long gone. His plight puts things in perspective, especially for David, who as we know lives by the adage, "Live fast, die young...." 2. Why does Maddie love Monday mornings? Maddie loves Mondays because work is her adventure. She lives a lonely, humdrum life on weekends. In fact, one could say weekends are the bane of her existence (oh, the Irony). Plus, Maddie is hopeful: will this be the week David shapes up? Agnes' eyes point in the same direction? the wobblies get some actual work done? the client isn't a raving lunatic? The possibilities are endless...
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Post by witness on Feb 6, 2010 16:15:31 GMT -5
jen, I re-rewatched some scenes last night and came up with a Q after all:
During the discussion about Mr. Everett's predicament, Maddie says, "But that's not an option. That's decided for you." Given that she is an atheist, what do you think she means by this?"
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