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Post by marta on Jan 23, 2021 4:30:07 GMT -5
Oops! I would never make fun of anybody creative and especially somebody who has a talent I do not have. That would be bitter and twisted and instantly obvious, so it would reflect badly on me. So no! I am sorry I gave that impression. I reviewed what I had written above and I think I might come across as somewhat disparaging. I think this is mosty because I wanted to put down my own gushing over the art... yes, I agree with you that we are all one aching family.
I recently watched the pilot and realised that I had a smile on my face the whole time, even during the duress. And they look so young! This really hurts. BW especially changed really quickly, the hard yakka must have taken its toll.
Anyway, the third point - comin' to the post near you very soon.
Sending scratches under the chin to Maddie.
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Post by sandra on Jan 23, 2021 13:35:48 GMT -5
It's quite all right, Marta. After all, these are just sentences we read on a computer or telephone. The nuance of it can be a bit unclear sometimes. Combine that with the fact that I have sleepless nights thanks to my lovely little girl and poof! I read something and jump into a defence mechanism Now, why are you keeping me waiting for that third reason? Not fair!
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Post by marta on Jan 23, 2021 19:06:19 GMT -5
On the third reason that Maddie cannot let David go. It’s the agency (as you all know, I am sure).
Maddie is very much into the detective work and working in general (‘I love Mondays’, being elated returning from holidays). At the end of the show (EKNM) she says ‘I want to help the police find the murderer. This is what I do for living.’ This is with all seriousness that the comedy show can muster. She is having fun with it from the pilot onward ('for what it’s worth… I had fun…tons of fun'). In MTTC, after the milk van chase, she says ‘do you want to hear something dumb? I had a great time’. ‘Me too´ David says to that.
IMO, this is what it is: David and having fun working with him merge into one feeling. She says sitting on the trunk in the same episode: ’He is perfect for me, you know, but you and me… we…we…’ She does not say anything more. If we fill in the blanks and make it into: ‘we have so much fun together solving cases and earning money at the same time, how can I let it go?’ it does not sound too farfetched to me.
On the surface, she is better suited to a different business. Modelling agency, obviously, having had both experience and contacts. But this work is more fun. Would any other arrangement allow her to have the same fun in a detective agency? Well, unlikely. She is not licensed (as far as we know), she does not have experience. David takes her with him almost everywhere while she is often an encumbrance rather than assistance, especially at the beginning. She makes decisions, she meaningfully contributes. We have seen the LaSalle fiasco (AB). Hiring some other gumshoe to replace David does not guarantee the same involvement in cases. So working with David in Blue Moon is IT.
It works for David, too. In Blue Moon he is the detective and has a say in the running of the business. He can indulge in his proclivities. Would it be so cushy somewhere else? Obviously not. Would it be easier to have an agency on his own (putting love aside – if we can do that?!)? She does attract clients in (RTMSTM, MFD at least). We had seen two serious attempts to get rid of the agency. One in the pilot, where it does not count and in AB, which is mid-season 2. Anything apart from these two is just a normal moment of despondency in a business person’s life. This includes IAWJ episode. Things get on top of her for a moment, and when down she petulantly refuses to see anything positive in her situation and people around her, but it lasts only one evening. She gets a cathartic dream and we get a wonderful episode. She cares about the business and has nightmares about ruining the business on her way back to LA in TOMT.
In the second part of the show, when the erotic passion cools down, she makes a strategic decision and makes him a partner in business (SAS). Now, he has more to lose if he walks out or misbehaves and she keeps his contribution to the business she loves.
So how does that stack up IYO? Makes sense?
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Post by Marlena on Jan 23, 2021 19:19:56 GMT -5
Marta...the third reason Maddie couldn't let David go...is it that the sex was so good, best she ever had? I may be completely off the mark here, but it was all I could think of.
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Post by Marlena on Jan 23, 2021 19:23:12 GMT -5
OMG, I just saw your post about the third reason being the agency. I guess when I think about M and D, I can't help but think about that great month they had in bed!
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Post by marta on Jan 23, 2021 19:31:16 GMT -5
Ah, Moonlightingml, you are a fraction of a second too late as I just posted my third reason. I think you are onto something here, nevertheless. Sex is SO important, isn't it.
When I look at ALL the reasons to keep him close it is understandable why she makes such a fool of herself at her own weeding to somebody else. Makes me cry thinking how this woman suffers. Or should I say: how this woman would suffer had she been a real person. Ha!
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Post by Marlena on Jan 23, 2021 19:36:44 GMT -5
Once I got sex off the brain, yes Marta, I do very much agree with you about the agency being a reason Maddie can't let David go. She was having the time of her life working at Blue Moon, and I'm sure any thought of leaving that behind would have frightened her.
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Post by Boink on Jan 23, 2021 19:47:52 GMT -5
Marta, I understand that Moonlighting is a dance that brilliantly chronicles many phases of a couple's relationship. That is precisely why we were so invested by the end of season 3 that we were (at one time, anyway) willing to endure seasons 4-5, and why we still care about David and Maddie to this day. I also understand that season 5 might arguably be just as successful with part of this dance by chronicling a former couple who have moved on from anything deeper and remain just friendly enough to maintain a "once in a blue moon" business situation. I believe that any success on that front, though, has less to do with brilliance than the fact that GGC had moved on and the show's remaining producers were just as detached and merely keeping the lights on, too. The passion was simply gone on both sides of the camera. Beyond all that, I must point out that any declaration we make that David and Maddie forever parted ways post-Eclipse is as fictional as any belief that they eventually found hapiness together. "Lunar Eclipse" leaves us with Maddie and David sitting hand in hand and a montage of their history set to Ray Charles' "We'll Be Together Again." The final frames tell us that, "Blue Moon Investigations ceased operations on May 14, 1989. The Anselmo Case was never solved… and remains a mystery to this day." It is never stated that David and Maddie didn't rekindle their romance and live happily ever after. Only that the Anselmo case we never solved. So, it is with all of the above in mind that I humbly ask you to please consider the following, even if it's just another product of "shipping"… moonlighting.proboards.com/thread/1439/boink-future-rate-episodeWith warmest regards, Boink P.S. Thank you sincerely for stirring things back up around here. It’s been far too quiet for far too long.
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Post by sandra on Jan 24, 2021 3:13:02 GMT -5
P.S Thank you sincerely for stirring things back up around here. It’s been far too quiet for far too long. Now this, I most sincerely agree with! Anyway, your third reason was brilliant, Marta. Of course one wouldn't want to walk out on a job such as was held at Blue Moon Detective Agency! It's nothing like you'll find anywhere else! David knows that and Maddie knows that as well. The freedom and the fun of it are just amazing! No need for a licence, a diploma from school and most importantly: No work and pay! So now we have our three reasons: 1. Maddie is in love (or in severe lust) 2. She is used to being the queen bee and needs that attention 3. She doesn't want to leave the agency Maybe we ought to make Marlena's reason that the sex was just too good a fourth reason. Hahaha! That one certainly put a smile on my face. I mean, Maddie is sexually starved in BoB and then David suddenly ends up rocking her... well... world for almost four weeks straight In all fairness, who would walk away from that? Hahahaha! That's about as far as I'll go, this being a family board
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Post by marta on Jan 24, 2021 19:02:58 GMT -5
Wow Dear Boink wow
Thank you for the kind words (I should not be encouraged as I may end up plotting for the board domination)… wow
WOW!
I opened the link somewhat reluctantly and only because I realised it was a video.
And then WOW!
Have been dazzled by your wit, inventiveness, erudition and technical skill. Cannot say anymore because I am running out of superlatives. Wow.
Thank you for preparing this masterpiece
Sincerely Marta
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Post by marta on Jan 25, 2021 8:21:51 GMT -5
On reading fanfiction.
Dedicated to Sandra
I have a deep respect for writers of fiction, for musicians and painters - all those creatives who do create things I cannot create. In my real life (suggesting that my pro-board life is not real), when I am sane (which does not include the last 4 months) I do not read fiction at all. I occasionally read biographies. A biography has a framework of facts. A biographer tries to build a plausible psychological picture of a person, which fits the facts.
Speculating about ML is like that to me - what is happening in M’s and D’s heads as they do and say this or that. When we do it as a group we each bring our own world view and it makes the group effort exciting because we are not the same. Bliss. The reference points are static and accessible to all who contribute. We are not going to have more facts. The show has ended. Fanfiction is unrestricted, anything can happen. There are millions of possibilities and even more ways to describe them. In ML, to me, these possibilities are not plausible as I do not believe that M and D could continue together in real life. Because of that, to me, the characters in fanfic cannot be believable, they cannot have psychological integrity and continuity with the characters that I know (and love) in ML.
Well, maybe if the fiction were written as comedy, but this approach is extremely difficult to pull off successfully in writing. Considering that I am not yet up to par with the Western cannon and the day has only 24 hours… On the other hand, the video by Boink is a fantastic amusement, because it fits the style of the show itself and most of all presents the characters via the same medium. It is clever because it tells a witty story with the confines of the available clips. The limits are fixed. It makes comedy of the fact that most viewers are unhappy with the ending we were offered by the show itself. To me the video does not continue with M’s and D’s lives after the show, it makes fun of us with us.
Thoughts? My next instalment is already in production, it will deal with Miss DiPesto as a Greek chorus.
I shall post shortly, unless you will beg me not to.
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Post by sandra on Jan 25, 2021 9:41:05 GMT -5
Oh, sweetie. You didn't have to dedicate anything to me. I wasn't mad when you mentioned my fanfiction earlier this weekend. Maybe it came across that way, but that had more to do with me and the state of mind I was in, then with what you had written down. Like I said; I was really sleep deprived and (to let the real world seep into this board for a moment) very worried about what the heck is going on in my country. People are rioting in my city, starting fires, destroying things and creating a very grim atmosphere, all because they don't agree with the lockdown. This is actually precisely the reason why I write fiction: to escape the real world and its' facts, by creating my own world where anything is possible. A world without rules, controls and without borders. It's my escape, my coping mechanism. I guess this is where we differ from each other; you want the facts, I need the fiction I do try to capture the humor that is Moonlighting in my fics. Whether I'm succesful with that, is up to the readers. No worries, I'm not asking you to read them, considering the happy endings in them. Hahahahaha! Boink's video is amazing! I already commented on it last year. It's so very creative! Anyway, just my two cents here. I can't wait to see what you post about our Miss DiPesto!
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Post by marta on Jan 28, 2021 1:24:42 GMT -5
It is so quiet on the board. I think we need to talk more about sex, this will draw you in (!?). Let’s get a few things out of the way first.
On Marta eating a humble pie
I have been re-watching episodes here and there as I had this novel idea that I may need to know more before I continue to pontificate and noticed that I have been wrong on a couple of points in my earlier posts. Nothing that would change the main conclusions but a correction is necessary in few places. I shall do edits (with edit alert) in the original text, so it all sits together, as I find things do not stand to evidence. As an example, the first edit has to do with Sam being Maddie’s possible companion on her vacations in NYC (SAR). Well, she says to Sam in IACM: ‘you… waltz in here after all those YEARS…’ it does not fit with the holidaying together half a year or so earlier. Still, for the main point of whether she had serious relationships in the past, he fits the bill (‘does he count twice?’).
BTW Maddie also says that she and Sam have known each other 20 years longer than she has known David, which coupled with knowing Sam since she was 6 does not make sense, as it would make her 29. However, we all round up years into decades, especially in an argument, so it is OK.
On Miss DiPesto being pregnant There is zero acknowledgement of Allyce Beasley’s pregnancy, which is very obvious in many scenes. In FA, when David quizzes Agnes on matters of pregnancy pregnant Allyce answers: ‘… I do not know… I have never been pregnant …may be you should ask a pregnant person… may be it would help to be around other pregnant people…’ I find it funny in a bittersweet way. Shepherd’s pregnancy was the centre of attention both in and off the show, but, I suppose, it is not only the star power but twins make the difference too.
What puzzles me the most is that I have found, so far, no reference to AB pregnancy in the board posts and I have been through the most obvious sections for such a reference.
Any comments? On Miss DiPesto’s role as a Greek chorus of ML - coming soon.
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Post by sandra on Jan 28, 2021 5:50:02 GMT -5
No worries. I was still hovering around, contemplating earlier posts and wanting to say something about the 'Gunfight' episode. However, the only thing I could come up with was: "Gosh, what on earth was up with David's hair in these earlier episodes?!" I suppose that wouldn't have drawn anyone in to start a conversation with me about the ep itself. Hahaha! Therefore, I left it alone. I'm still contemplating what to say about the episode. Maybe it will come to me later this week.
But hey, talking about sex always draws me in, so here I am! Sorry, just channeling my inner David Addison here.
You're right about Sam not being able to have been a companion for Maddie in the years leading up to BoB, I forgot about that one too. Like you said, it's been decades, so we're bound to forget a few things here and there.
Can I just say that, when I watched Moonlighting for the first time, I wasn't even aware that Allyce was pregnant in the fourth season? (sorry, I was very young) It makes me think about how you said that all the attention went to Maddie/Cybill. I guess I'm the perfect example of that, then. How bittersweet indeed, for AB to say that in FA. She was overlooked.
Just to throw something else out there that's been bugging me. We've talked about the reasons as to why Maddie was not letting go of David. It made me wonder, had Moonlighting continued, how that would have gone in the future. I mean, Maddie wanted to continue working at Blue Moon with David. She was still in love with him, but knew that she didn't want to be with him. Wouldn't their close working relationship have kept them from moving on, like... ever? Even with other people coming into the mix? When you're faced with those feelings every single day, you're setting yourself up for disaster, aren't you? A very, very long time ago, I actually left a job for this reason (no worries, I found myself another great job first) This was all way before I met my husband, but yeah.. in my opinion, the best way to move on is to actually walk away and start over.
Would Maddie and David's dance have gone on forever? Oh, the things that plague my mind sometimes!
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Post by Marlena on Jan 28, 2021 8:58:31 GMT -5
I do think that if Maddie and David continued to work together, that they would not have been able to move on to relationships with other people. They were too keyed in to what the other was doing. They each would have been very distracted and hurt by the other's new relationships. I wonder if they had let the agency go, and got separate jobs, if that would have been better for their romantic relationship. But then, what would they have to talk about when they weren't being romantic? Without the agency, what did they have in common? Not much.
Sometimes I think about the reasons why Maddie fought her attraction to David. I know she was afraid of him embarrassing her. Do you think she respected him? Respect is so important in a relationship. I know because, in my personal life, I often find it hard to respect my husband. He can be funny, makes me laugh, but the unnecessary temper tantrums are such a turn-off to me. Anyway, it just makes me wonder if Maddie respects David. Because if she doesn't, then he would never really make her happy.
But the romantic part of me, who likes to escape the real world for the fantasy which is Moonlighting fanfic, wants to believe that Maddie does respect David.
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