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Jul 1, 2021 15:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 1, 2021 15:38:50 GMT -5
Yes, had a massive crush on BW when I was 14, 15, 16...up until now really, although sadly I don't find him sexy anymore...80s BW was the hottest thing in the world, yes, even though he was much older than me. I still look at him in those episodes and during that time and am in awe of how good looking he was, his face, his build, personality. Everything. Don't see men that look like that these days. When I watch ML, most of the time I pick and choose the episodes that I like. But, sometimes I'll do a re-watch and watch them in order. If you take the emotion out of it (hard to do) S5 episodes, even the Annie episodes aren't that bad...it's really not M&D to me so, I just pretend it's bonus ML episodes with these kinda familiar people (but the real storyline ended after Flesh) haha. crazy! I think he would still look sexy if he had hair transplant.
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 1, 2021 18:01:58 GMT -5
He looks way better with hair.
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 1, 2021 18:06:30 GMT -5
So many male actors have had hair transplants. I was shocked to find out just how many did
Getting back to the moonlighting episodes, I just re-watched the Color of Maddie and at that point they both were trying to figure out where they stood in relationship. David had suggested Maddie go out to dinner with him. In fact he already made reservations. Of course, the phone rang right then and they got dragged into another chase scene
I didn’t care for Maddie calling David a pal, but did like her trying to figure out where they were going. Looks like David was thinking the same thing.
So, at this point they are not sleeping together but aren’t exactly pals either. The episode ends with them dressed to the nines in an upscale billiard room, where David thinks he’s going to teach Maddie how to play. She proves her point instead by revealing she already is an excellent pool player. The episode ends with him looking impressed
Again, when did they go off the rails? How did they get to WGC? Doesn’t make any sense
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 1, 2021 18:16:49 GMT -5
I’ve been giving BW’s looks in the 80s more thought and concluded no other actor at that time or character on screen surpassed BW/David Addison.
There were some very handsome actors then, too, giving him competition- Tom Selleck who played Magnum in Magnum PI, Pierce Brosnan in Remington Steele, Bruce Boxleitner in Scarecrow and Mrs. King, to name a few.
None of them could hold a candle to BWS as he portrayed David Addison. Sexy as hell.
There was something about him that was irresistible, even after all these years.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 1, 2021 18:38:44 GMT -5
In "ATTTM" Honeymooner episode, Maddie is not happy because all she and David do is sleep together. She goes on and on and on (ugh) about their never doing anything but ravaging one another (paraphrasing) and David winds up taking her to a laundromat because he can't think of anything better to do. WTH? They have went on dates for the last three years (although as friends)...lunch, dinner, breakfast, the symphony (though ticket mix-up created a disaster) and who knows what else. David has dated before. Why would he suddenly have no idea where to take Maddie on a date? This was sloppy writing to get Maddie on that plane to Chicago as the relationship was "going nowhere". David was trying so hard to please her and when he announced to the office he was 'head over heels in love" and asked her if she would go on a date with him, I thought they might have a shot. Yet, the rug was once more pulled out from under them. The writer(s) didn't get that we didn't need them in crisis every moment. The audience actually would have loved to see them happy for at least a short period of time. It still makes me angry that we didn't get that. There was no reason their relationship could not have worked. I even think the baby being born would have been a perfect ending (as CS said in the book). Instead we got am ambiguous scene with BW having a scowl on his face and the agency torn apart. One more thing...According to book, Alyce Beasley hasn't been in a room with CS or BW in 30 years because she blames them for Moonlighting's demise and she loved working on show. I found that very interesting. You are so right! It made no sense that Maddie kept saying they never went on a date. And she was the one that wanted to keep their relationship a secret, so of course he didn't feel like he could take her anywhere on a real date. I really thought that once he declared his feelings for her in front of everyone and she agreed to go on a date they would have at least one episode where they were happy and we got some romance. But of course that didn't happen and then she left.
I was surprised by what Allyce Beasley said too. She still seems pretty upset by what happened.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 1, 2021 18:39:43 GMT -5
Yes, that kiss in Dream was great. I also wondered with the first kiss in that episode when Maddie almost whimpers just before he kisses her, was that in the script or was that Cybill? I'll have to go back and watch all the kisses again and see which I think is the hottest. I think the wimper was a Rita thing...lol, don't think it was Cybill - because, Rita was this kinda naive character, who was married, but being overtaken by this seductive man who she was wildly attracted to from the beginning. I don't think it was Cybill, because I don't think this is the first time she and BW had kissed / don't think he'd have that affect on her in that moment. I'm sure you are right about that. It was pretty good acting though!
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 1, 2021 18:43:49 GMT -5
I’ve been giving BW’s looks in the 80s more thought and concluded no other actor at that time or character on screen surpassed BW/David Addison. There were some very handsome actors then, too, giving him competition- Tom Selleck who played Magnum in Magnum PI, Pierce Brosnan in Remington Steele, Bruce Boxleitner in Scarecrow and Mrs. King, to name a few. None of them could hold a candle to BWS as he portrayed David Addison. Sexy as hell. There was something about him that was irresistible, even after all these years. He was definitely my favorite back then. After Moonlighting ended I moved on to appreciate a different actor and a musician. But now that I've rediscovered Moonlighting, I am reminded why I liked Bruce and David Addison so much. He looks ok now, but obviously not like he used to. Unfortunately we all grow old at some point. But he isn't too bad.
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Post by sandra on Jul 2, 2021 8:32:40 GMT -5
So if we're talking about reasons why we fell in love with Bruce Willis/David Addison... I'm here! (Sorry, NJJ. Here we go again) I think, for me, the whole thing with BW is the fact that he's attractive, yes...but he's not unattainably attractive, if you know what I mean. There are so many Hollywood actors out there who look like they stepped right off the Maxim hot 100 magazine cover. They are smooth, slick and buff. Your typical Ken doll, if you ask me. Bruce's sexiness doesn't lie so much in his appearance, all though he is hot, don't get me wrong. It lies in his confidence, his sense of humor and the way he carries himself. For me, the perfect example is in the screentests. You see, I saw the screentest they did with that other guy who was in the running (I don't remember his name). He said all the right words, used David's language, tried to seduce his counterpart and I didn't feel it. I just didn't. This guy was smooth and it didn't do a damn thing for me. Insert BW and I got instant butterflies. I like a man who is perfectly imperfect. BW was (still is) a man's man and not a model. This is why I fell in love back then.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 2, 2021 12:20:17 GMT -5
Sandra, that is so true. He had a different look, not like a lot of the model types. He was cute and sexy at the same time. I also liked that he was a new actor so it was exciting being one of his first fans. Also, he's from NJ which I am too so that was a nice bonus! I felt like we had something in common. Then when Moonlighting ended and he became such a big star I kind of lost interest. Especially since he was doing a lot of action movies and I wasn't really interested in them at the time. I would still watch some of his movies when I had a chance but it wasn't the same as watching him every week as David Addison. Maybe I actually liked David more than Bruce? At the time I thought they were pretty much the same, but now I know different.
I've attached a picture of the postcard I received when I sent him a fan letter around 1986 or 1987 (can't remember exactly). I had it hanging on my bulletin board for years. I just found it again recently since going through my old papers and magazines. It's been fun revisiting my love of Moonlighting and Bruce. I will say though, I now appreciate Cybill more than I did back then. Even if the rumors about her are true. She still seems like a fun lady.
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Post by notjuanjones on Jul 2, 2021 12:46:22 GMT -5
One more thing...According to book, Alyce Beasley hasn't been in a room with CS or BW in 30 years because she blames them for Moonlighting's demise and she loved working on show. I found that very interesting. I definitely empathize with Allyce and Curtis Armstrong. Think of it from their point of view. They're working actors. My guess is that neither had made a ton of money to that point (I'm figuring that CA wasn't getting any points on "Revenge of the Nerds"). They love their jobs, but they're likely living check to check/project to project. And then, to their surprise-likely moreso for Allyce, who was there at the beginning–they find themselves on a hit television show. A BIG hit show. For the first time, they're not just making big money, they're famous. Probably getting solicited for roles or jobs they've never dreamed they'd get. And then, just when it's gotten started, the two stars of the show start acting like divas! One of them came in with a big head because she used to be famous and catered to; the other one's GETTING a big head as he BECOMES famous and catered to! And they don't want to do this, or that, and they're late, or they're doing a movie, etc. I'm sure Allyce felt like, 'hey-this is my one shot at this! You two are going to keep being stars. This is my chance to put some money away and have some security for a while. And, I've never been on such a good show; this is fun! Stop screwing it up for the rest of us!!'
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 2, 2021 21:04:01 GMT -5
I am reminded of that last scene between Agnes, David and Maddie where she tells them that she hopes she and Burt get their own show and that she is very angry that the show was canceled because the two of them couldn’t get their stupid relationship figured out.
I think that was Allyce unloading.
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jul 2, 2021 22:48:55 GMT -5
That is true about BW, he was "attainable hot" - haha, like if he wasn't famous you could possibly date him. It was his personality and confidence that pushed him over the top of sexiness for sure. The funny thing about him too is, in the first season and a half he was kinda goofy and then he just got hotter and hotter...OMG, by S5 he was burning up the screen with that perfect V-shape body he acquired from his Die Hard training. Sadly Cybill starting losing her looks during the series, or just started looking exhausted and matronly - they didn't even match looks wise by the end. In the beginning, she was too beautiful to be in his league, and by the end it had flipped. crazy! Also, yeah, poor Allyce, she had a good thing going and no one was interested in being there. Curtis has done fine. I think a lot of what was written into episodes was a lot of what was really going on behind the scenes...they just took the angst and anxiety and put it on the screen. That is one reason I think the show is so appealing to us life long fans, the characters/ show and reality were constantly blurred, which made it so real. One example of reality being put on screen is at the end of MHGM when Maddie (Cybill) is apologizing to Bruce. Think that was just her apologizing for everything (even Cybill in the commentary said there was a lot of truth to what she was saying) Ahh, makes me emo even writing this...ahhhh, this show!!!!
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 3, 2021 7:44:35 GMT -5
IiI also think Cybill was exhausted. That is why she looked matronly. She was breast-feeding twins who were on set (in her trailer) daily. They’d start screaming and she was called to nurse them. Can you imagine working like that? She looked beautiful in “Chances Are” (love this movie), so I think she just needed rest
Yes, Bruce did get hotter as series progressed due to working out for his “Die Hard” role. That man had a fantastic body. Unfortunately, his head also got bigger.
The writers, or perhaps GGC behind the scenes as he still was doing some of the writing, wanted the last scene in the church to have Maddie and David reminisce with flashbacks from previous seasons and then reveal how they truly felt about one another. The book discloses one of the actors refused to perform scene as written. Since the end gives us Maddie telling David she can’t imagine not seeing him in morning and him saying nothing, I assume it was Bruce who refused to say his lines. That really irks me as Moonlighting made him a star. We fans deserved better. I think he hated Cybill for having GCG thrown off set. ABC still allowed him to write and she was ok with that, but he wasn’t allowed near stage.
This is how it was told in book.
Perhaps she came to hate Bruce and GGC because she felt they were sabotaging her character and career. GGC by having her treat David so badly after they had sex ( no doubt she got some hate mail), by leaving him and marrying Walter and then Bruce going along with Annie fiasco but refusing to read lines as written in their final scene
This is speculation, but it makes sense.
I said it in an earlier post, the writer(s) and two leads are what killed Moonlighting.
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 3, 2021 8:26:34 GMT -5
This question came up in discussing another favorite character of mine, Matthew Crawley from “Downton Abbey”. Who did you fall for? Bruce Willis or David Addison?
As was the case in Downton, where it was Matthew that I looked forward to seeing each week, David was the reason I tuned in to Moonlighting. As goofy as his character could be, I adored him.
I think BW is a great actor and loved him in “The Sixth Sense” and others but I don’t think any role he played rivaled David Addison. He performance was was brilliant.
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 3, 2021 8:47:34 GMT -5
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