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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 3, 2021 9:28:18 GMT -5
IiI also think Cybill was exhausted. That is why she looked matronly. She was breast-feeding twins who were on set (in her trailer) daily. They’d start screaming and she was called to nurse them. Can you imagine working like that? She looked beautiful in “Chances Are” (love this movie), so I think she just needed rest Yes, Bruce did get hotter as series progressed due to working out for his “Die Hard” role. That man had a fantastic body. Unfortunately, his head also got bigger. The writers, or perhaps GGC behind the scenes as he still was doing some of the writing, wanted the last scene in the church to have Maddie and David reminisce with flashbacks from previous seasons and then reveal how they truly felt about one another. The book discloses one of the actors refused to perform scene as written. Since the end gives us Maddie telling David she can’t imagine not seeing him in morning and him saying nothing, I assume it was Bruce who refused to say his lines. That really irks me as Moonlighting made him a star. We fans deserved better. I think he hated Cybill for having GCG thrown off set. ABC still allowed him to write and she was ok with that, but he wasn’t allowed near stage. This is how it was told in book. Perhaps she came to hate Bruce and GGC because she felt they were sabotaging her character and career. GGC by having her treat David so badly after they had sex ( no doubt she got some hate mail), by leaving him and marrying Walter and then Bruce going along with Annie fiasco but refusing to read lines as written in their final scene This is speculation, but it makes sense. I said it in an earlier post, the writer(s) and two leads are what killed Moonlighting. I completely agree with this! I couldn't imagine trying to take care of twins and keep working long hours. She had to cut back on work and she probably didn't look her best from lack of sleep and increased stress. But I still think she looked pretty good!
They were all responsible for the ending of the show, except for Allyce and Curtis, it seems. That's why I wish they had made it up to fans years later by having one more episode or tv movie.
quest, hope your ankle heals quickly. But at least you have a good excuse to watch tons of Moonlighting! Enjoy!
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Post by sandra on Jul 3, 2021 14:06:51 GMT -5
Quest, I hope you and your ankle feel better soon.
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 3, 2021 15:13:57 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the good wishes.
Just re-watched AWWAV and think it would have been a great episode if the ending had been different. It was very creative, BW did a great job portraying Baby Hayes and the divine emissary gave the audience a lot of insight into David and Maddie’s relationship. He explained they fought because each was afraid they loved the other more and feared getting hurt. I always thought that was the case. He also revealed a lot about them that was clear if you looked hard enough. Maddie had a big heart, though she didn’t show it enough, which would change when she became a mother, David was smart and a lot deeper than he seemed.
I learned from the book that although he wasn’t given credit for it, GGC wrote a good deal of this episode and I believe he did a fantastic job until that damned phone rang, setting Baby Hayes’ death in motion. No song and dance or promise that he would have a happy life with the Cosby family or on Growing Pains could save the episode or the future of Moonlighting after this tragedy. The audience that did stick with the show this far were no doubt thrilled to learn David was the baby’s father and likely were wondering how crazy Maddie's delivery would be after what we got when Terry had her baby. Instead they were crushed by the loss of the baby.
It wasn’t Maddie and David having sex that ruined Moonlighting for the fans. It was the death of their unborn child. The couple had overcome every obstacle imaginable and deserved a chance at happiness. TPTB were inundated with complaints after the episode ran and even die hard fans tuned out going forward.
How heartbreaking it was to hear Maddie wondering if it were her fault that she lost the baby. She should have taken better care of herself. Then to see David, looking shell-shocked, assuring her she did everything right, that it was just not meant to be. It was a terrible thing but he was so glad she was ok as he was so scared she wouldn’t be. It was clear how much he loved her.
We learn in the last few moments of the episode that David thought Maddie would have been a great mother and she insists he would have been a terrific dad, although a lousy husband (said jokingly). I didn’t remember her saying that and it surprised me. They were going to raise the baby together and were clearly considering getting married. After that scene, there is no way any viewer would believe Maddie & David would behave as they did in the future episodes.
That horrible event was glossed over and the bond between them erased by the time WGC was aired.
CS said GGC shot himself in the foot. She felt the series would have ended well with he birth of the baby. I agree with her.
There was nothing in any episodes after AWWAV that contributed to Moonlighting’s legacy. The episodes that were lighthearted and gave the viewer a glimpse of what had drawn them to the show were outweighed by the damage done to it in the others, especially the Annie episodes and LE
Now back to icing my ankle. lol
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Post by northernlight on Jul 6, 2021 15:43:09 GMT -5
"The audience that did stick with the show this far were no doubt thrilled to learn David was the baby’s father and likely were wondering how crazy Maddie's delivery would be after what we got when Terry had her baby. Instead they were crushed by the loss of the baby."
Season 5 always confused me. At the end of S4, it was implied that Sam was the father; now, suddenly, it was David. And for much of S5, you couldn't work out whether or not they were still romantically involved. They sometimes appeared to be, but at the same time, they didn't - if that makes any sense. Then, of course, by the end, they didn't even seem to like each other, and it was very disappointing to see it come to that. It was only after getting the DVD set ten years or so back that I realised how dislikeable David, previously one of TV's most likeable characters of all time, had become by that time. When it was first aired in '89 and he took up with that dreadful cousin of Maddie's, I thought, "Why would he do that?!" But I don't remember thinking then that Addison had morphed into a bit of a rat. Maybe, as other posters here have suggested, it was simply to balance things out. Maddie was the villain of S4 and I think she caused far more damage by her actions, but she was never nasty like David in S5. I was actually rooting for her to take up with that Detective Donegan... Or me.
Hope your ankle is better now, quest.
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 6, 2021 17:32:37 GMT -5
Happy to see you posting, northernlight and I agree that Series 5 portrayed David in a bad light. I hated it as he suffered so much in Season 4.
Many inconsistencies in 5 with characterizations and plots. A real hot mess. lol
The ending really had me stumped.
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 7, 2021 8:10:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately I’m still hobbling around.
This has given me an opportunity to binge on your Moonlighting, leaving me elated and frustrated in equal measure
I emailed Scott Ryan, questioning why there was so little on series 5 in his book. I also complimented him on it. He said that it was very difficult to get anyone to talk about five. Shocker, huh.
The more I learn about what went on behind the scenes that final year, the more determined I am to write what was wrong and that season. Unless GGC will revive moonlighting, which may be a possibility as it is owned by Disney, and hopefully give us at least a decent final episode to his masterpiece, fanfiction will have to do it.
That’s very nice of him to respond to me and I’m going to leave him a glowing review on Amazon.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 7, 2021 9:02:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately I’m still hobbling around. This has given me an opportunity to binge on your Moonlighting, leaving me elated and frustrated in equal measure I emailed Scott Ryan, questioning why there was so little on series 5 in his book. I also complimented him on it. He said that it was very difficult to get anyone to talk about five. Shocker, huh. The more I learn about what went on behind the scenes that final year, the more determined I am to write what was wrong and that season. Unless GGC will revive moonlighting, which may be a possibility as it is owned by Disney, and hopefully give us at least a decent final episode to his masterpiece, fanfiction will have to do it. That’s very nice of him to respond to me and I’m going to leave him a glowing review on Amazon. Wow! Scott Ryan answered you? That's really cool. And I love that you asked him one of the questions that I wanted the answer to also. I wonder why people wouldn't talk about that season? Did they all think it was that terrible? I read that when they were making it they didn't know it would definitely be the last season until the very end. So it seems strange that no one seems to know what they were doing with it. You would think they had an idea of where to take the story if they were going to possibly have another whole season to write stories for. What if there had been a season 6? I wonder if it would have been just as confusing or would they have fixed anything?
I would love a new final episode, but at this point I highly doubt it. Since they haven't made it yet, I don't think they ever will.
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 7, 2021 10:38:14 GMT -5
It really is up to GCC. He said in book that he believes Moonlighting could get streamed as it is owned by Disney.
If the show were aired, I know it would garner a new generation of fans. Possibly sequel would follow.
Never say never. Right?
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 8, 2021 20:55:20 GMT -5
Has anyone watched Cybill's show Cybill? I've been watching it for the first time recently and I just saw the episode where she gets a job on a show and has to work with a man as her costar. I know some of that episode was based on her experience on Moonlighting and working with Bruce. It made things seem pretty bad between them. I hope it wasn't too much like her actual experiences.
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Post by Marlena on Jul 8, 2021 22:13:27 GMT -5
Hey Judy, yes, I have the entire Cybill series on DVD and have watched it a couple of times. That particular episode you mention, it is a spoof on The X-Files, but I think that is the episode that Cybill wanted Bruce to be the guest star. She talks about it in her book. I forget if he originally agreed to do it, and then backed out, or if he never agreed to do it, but either way - he didn't do it. Too bad, because I believe their characters would've kissed. And wouldn't we all have loved to see that! 😍😍😍😍
Also of interest, Jay Daniel, who was an executive producer on Moonlighting, was also an executive producer on Cybill for quite a while. So obviously Cybill couldn't have been that terrible to work with if he was willing to work with her again years later on her own TV show.
After reading the Moonlighting book, it was my impression that Jay Daniel was somewhat of a peacemaker. He talked about understanding that Cybill really needed to feel like she was being heard. My impression is that he's probably a great guy! 😊
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 8, 2021 23:09:12 GMT -5
Marlena, yes it was a spoof on X-Files but there were also similarities to Moonlighting and Bruce. Like how she wanted to sleep with him and he was willing until she mentioned that it might affect their working relationship so he agreed with that and walked away. Then he became so popular with everyone and didn't really seem to care about her anymore. He just came off as a jerk.
I did know about Jay Daniel working with her on both shows so I thought maybe she wasn't too bad. But then I heard that she got him fired from the Cybill show. I forget if that was in her book. I need to reread that. It sounds bad though if she got him fired. As you said he seemed like he was the peacemaker and nice to her.
I think she tried twice to get Bruce on her show but it never worked out. Maybe he was just really busy or maybe he wasn't ready to work with her again. I don't know, but I remember she seemed annoyed because he had time to be a guest on Roseanne. I really wish he had been on Cybill's show.
By the way, I've been wondering, is your username your actual name? Every time I see it I'm reminded of another show I watch with a character named Marlena.
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Post by Marlena on Jul 10, 2021 20:15:52 GMT -5
Hey Judy, yes, Marlena is my real name. Are you referring to Marlena on Days Of Our Lives? That's the only TV character I know of with my name.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jul 10, 2021 21:49:47 GMT -5
Yes Marlena, that's who I mean. 😊
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Post by Marlena on Jul 13, 2021 11:02:40 GMT -5
Hey Judy, didn't you just love Charles Rocket? I looked on imdb.com and it said the Cybill episodes he was on were called Ka-Boom! and Cybill in the Morning, and you are right, his character was called Charlie Addison. I know his character on Moonlighting was supposed to be a bit of a goofball, but I always really liked Richard Addison. He was tall, and kinda cute. I can see why Maddie had fun with him and enjoyed dancing with him. But of course, if I had to choose one of the Addison brothers, there's no question who that would be. THIS GUY RIGHT HERE
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Post by quest1743 on Jul 13, 2021 18:07:45 GMT -5
He was so handsome! It is so sad he lost his hair.
I know there are many people who think he looks good bald, but I’m not one of them. I wish he would’ve went the Matthew McConaughey route and had a hair transplant.
Honestly, I think the only actor who looked good bald was Yul Brynner.
As for the show Cybil, I haven’t seen it. It only on DVD? I agree that Charlie Rocket was a great addition to Moonlighting and it saddened me very much to hear he committed suicide. So many gifted comic actors hid their pain and depression from the public. Thinking of Robin Williams right now.
What I did see this week was the Bruce Willis roast. I could not believe how raunchy it was. I’m not a stick in the mud but feel those roasts go over the line. Some of the things said about his daughters were disgusting. Also Demi Moore, his ex wife, made jokes about him in front of their daughters that were pretty sick.
In Hollywood, anything goes
Cybil Looks better now than she did when the roast took place and she was timid in her comments compared to the others
I only watched because I knew she would be on and it was nice to see her and Bruce hug one another
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