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Post by Cindy on Jan 21, 2006 4:40:33 GMT -5
Most everyone here knows this is my favorite episode. It is just so wonderful...the perfect wrap up to the tumultous 3rd season.
It is funny, it is sexy, it is sad, it is complex, it is romantic, it is full of banter and great scenes and has the best clients! I care about Margaret Kendall and Robert Murphy, and I want them to live happily ever after.
And then there is the sex/after sex/before sex/sex/after sex discussions with David and Maddie. I want them to live happily ever after too.
Funniest scenes: 1) David's entry into the office the morning after when he comes in singing Double Shot 2)The sex in the car that causes the car to roll backwards down the hill.
And then there are fights and making up and making out and the best sex talk they have ever.
But on another level, it is an intelligent, well-written episode that resonates with the 1949 Olivia deHaviland film "The Heiress" which was based on the Henry James novel "Washington Square." That movie is about a shy socially withdrawn woman who lives with her wealty widower doctor father and she meets and falls for a good looking young, but poor man. The dad is convinced the man is only interested in her for her inheritence. It was a great classic film.... you guys should watch it if you haven't seen it.
Also I like how it resonates with the Alexander Pope line "To err is human, to forgive divine" from his "An Essay on Criticism." This episode has a lot of potential for erring and a lot of potential for forgiving.
I heart this episode!
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Post by Sakura on Jan 22, 2006 14:09:23 GMT -5
I agree with you Cindy,this is a great episode more then rating 10. I do remember some parts,but too bad I don't have it(but in about Feburary-March,probably I will have it ^_^) This is a great episode,and I say that on the last seasons,must had more episodes like this one.
When I see theme having love I had a face like... . Never forget this epsiode,how good was,and how good is now.
We all know,that this episode is more than a episode. Agreeding?
Sakura
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Post by ryangie97 on Feb 10, 2006 23:51:43 GMT -5
I love, love this episode but I used to get so upset with Maddie's character thinking why can't she just be happy! When I watched this ep. the last time on the DVDs I think maybe I understood her character a little better. It seems to me she was uncomfortable with the relationship for 2 possible reasons: 1. In David's apartment, after having been together again, Maddie says to David "we're an affair" I think maybe she was afraid that is how David saw their relationship and she felt something deeper. It seems the whole series both are afraid he/she cares more than the other. Then when David responds to her statement with "ok I can live with that" he just confirms what she is afraid of. Of course she becomes very upset and starts saying he's lying "you're crazy about me.......I'm gonna be under your skin for a long time buster and you know it" or something like that. 2. I think the other reason Maddie was uncomfortable with the relationship is that she is not in control. She likes to think, way consequences, consider...and with David it's all "wild and frenzied." In this way, she is a little like Mr. Kendall, trying to control the situation. Since Maddie is used to being in control, this relationship is def. a little scary.
Anyway, those are just some thoughts I had while watching it again. Have I said I love this ep. ;D
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Post by bluemooner on Feb 11, 2006 7:47:36 GMT -5
Hi guys, This one used to bother because of what Ryangie said, but I can understand Maddie's reaction better now. I agree w/ you Ryangie. I think Maddie is scared and certainly doesn't like losing control of a situation. And with David, she can't help but lose control. And that gives her the heebiejeebies I appreciate this episode a lot more now than when I was a kid. Just wish they hadn't cut the car scene. I'd like to see the one from the promo. ~Kara
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Post by bluemoongirl on Feb 11, 2006 14:04:55 GMT -5
As much as I love this episode and this show...I've let it go. 20 years later, I watch this show for what it was without harboring the resentment I did back then for the way the characters shifted from this point on. It's useless to try to dissect the characters after this episode. I now enjoy it solely for what it was - a groundbreaking, fast-talking, sexy, hysterical show that has no equal. And never will.
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Post by adyjdy on Feb 11, 2006 15:10:19 GMT -5
I think the other reason Maddie was uncomfortable with the relationship is that she is not in control. She likes to think, way consequences, consider...and with David it's all "wild and frenzied." It's when Maddie says things like this that make me wonder if that woman has ever really been in love before. I mean "I don't just give myself to people. I have to think about it, consider, contemplate." Who falls in love that way? Who considers, contemplates giving themselves to someone? Isn't that the kind of thing that just... happens? Hmmm... okay now that I've jazzercized and had half a melon, I think I'll fall in love and then head to the dry cleaners. That's actually a good question: has Maddie ever been in love before? Maybe she doesn't know what it looks like.
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Post by queensgirl on Feb 11, 2006 18:19:12 GMT -5
It's when Maddie says things like this that make me wonder if that woman has ever really been in love before. I mean "I don't just give myself to people. I have to think about it, consider, contemplate." Who falls in love that way? Who considers, contemplates giving themselves to someone? Isn't that the kind of thing that just... happens? Hmmm... okay now that I've jazzercized and had half a melon, I think I'll fall in love and then head to the dry cleaners. That's actually a good question: has Maddie ever been in love before? Maybe she doesn't know what it looks like. I think that's a little harsh. Frankly, I can see Maddie's point here. Consider Dave's history with women. It's odd, there are these serious relationships (his first wife, and later Jillian) thrown in among countless casual encounters. So she knows what could happen. She knows how he treats women at least part of the time, and how he talks about them, so she's not entirely off the mark to approach things with caution. A possible relationship with him could turn into either of two things. Also, people seem to forget the fact that she just rebounded off a chance to get married. Sam was a lot closer to the type of person she is on many levels. Was he right for her, is another question, but he was pretty similar to her and therefore the separation had to sting quite badly. Psychologically that is a big letdown, and I don't know if either one of them ever gave her time to sort through that. She's just trying to sail right through this big trauma as if nothing happened. Not everyone throws themselves into love affairs like they're rides at the amusement park. Not everyone has David's caution-to-the-wind attitude toward life. Perhaps the reason Maddie put off for so long trying to be involved with David is that she thought about all the possibilities and did not want to get started if it had a chance to end badly. If she were going to do anything, she'd want it to last, and if it didn't look like it could, she wouldn't be there. That's not necessarily being afraid--it's being considerate. They both knew they were very different people, and perhaps should have expected that even when they got together, they'd still be that way. Dave knew what kind of person she was. An episode later, when Dave wants to move in after only a month, Maddie thinks of this as impossibly casual and much too presuming. It's only a month. I think she feels as if she is being treated as "just another girlfriend." He assumes 'this one's mine' and metaphorically puts his feet up on the table right after he sits down! Hey! Put the brakes on. So I don't buy this idea that she's never been in love. She has. Perhaps she got burned before (just like he did) and that's why she's so cautious now. (We can in fact point once again to the very recent case of Sam.) But I don't like this idea that you're not natural about love unless you react like Dave. I mean, does everybody want to act like a 15-year-old for the rest of your life? They both stand for the two extremes in life, one being 'too serious' and the other being 'too unserious.' Perhaps the right attitude is learning to blend a little of each, but heaven knows, these are very prideful people and not inclined to learn that.
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Post by adyjdy on Feb 11, 2006 19:39:34 GMT -5
This is a very Dave and Maddie argument, and I can't believe I'm Dave in this one I'm not convinced that that is the kind of thing you CAN do after thinking about it. You're absolutely right! M has a TON of reasons to be terrified of being with D. No doubt about it! I would be. That said, there are plenty of reasons to be terrified of being with someone like Sam (too stable, no excitement, always cooking you Cornflakes--yuck!). My point is simply that giving oneself to ANYONE however stable or wild is terrifying, and I'm not sure you could ever think enough about it to push through terror like that. I'm laughing because this is SO the main argument in "The Man Who Cried Wife." Hey queensgirl, wanna be my Maddie. j/k
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Post by queensgirl on Feb 11, 2006 20:07:11 GMT -5
I'm laughing because this is SO the main argument in "The Man Who Cried Wife." Hey queensgirl, wanna be my Maddie. j/k Good point. There is a lot in that other episode about passion, the heat of the moment, and flying by the seat of your pants. He lives by spontaneity, making everything up as he goes along; she's got to have a compass and a road map before she does anything. What's funny is that in the end (of "The Man Who Cried Wife"), they sort of trade places just a little bit. She says he might not be wrong about spontaneity, Maddie having used some of that type of 'brainstorm' thinking to help in her part of solving the case; he, in turn, in the dream moment that turns out not to be, concedes that in terms of living on the cusp, "A little goes a long way." I wanted to point out that I really, powerfully wanted them to be together. I'm not saying something other than that. My hope was that they could both have learned to 'do right' and given it a better chance. There are two sides to every story, that's all. Just you keep your hands to yourself. My cousin's a lawyer.
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Post by adyjdy on Feb 11, 2006 20:41:35 GMT -5
LOL... You're too much woman for me queensgirl! Plus, I'm married. Shhh
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Post by willisfan on Feb 17, 2006 12:02:41 GMT -5
Oh, I just watched this episode for the first time and it`s so frustrating. I really can understand Maddie. David is a very cute guy, but in this episode I would have liked to kill him. don`t understand me wrong, I love that episode, but I`m sure the only thing Maddie wanted to hear was something like: I love you so much and want to grow old with you. He had his chance after he heard Maddies speech to "Sam".
And about David. I also felt for him, because we all know that he loves her (even when he can`t say it). It must have hurt him sooo much, when Maddie was talking about her deal, to do like this night never happend.
Will this always be like this? What episode is this one, when he`s taking something and throwing it through the window, crabs her and kisses her? Hoped it`s season 3 but as I`m done with all the episodes I was wondering if it was season 4???
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Post by bluemoongirl on Feb 17, 2006 13:01:04 GMT -5
The episode you're talking about is from season 4 called Tracks of My Tears. It's the episode where Maddie is finally coming back to LA on a train. The scene you're referring to is a dream sequence that is an homage to a famous scene in a movie called Body Heat.
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Post by willisfan on Feb 17, 2006 13:17:48 GMT -5
So it`s really over between them? Or are there other scenes such as I am curious.....Maddie??
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Post by bluemoongirl on Feb 17, 2006 16:28:37 GMT -5
So it`s really over between them? Or are there other scenes such as I am curious.....Maddie?? Yes, the way we 'knew' the characters from season 1 to season 3 is gone. Once Maddie returns to LA and to David things are drastically different. They are no longer a couple. They have moments, but that's about it. If you really want to know what happens between them, I'll tell you. But I don't want to spoil it if you don't.
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Post by willisfan on Feb 17, 2006 18:34:36 GMT -5
Yes bluemoongirl, I`d love to know what happens. Many thanks in advance. That`s really a pity, that they don`t get a couple not even one episode. :-((
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