This is probably one of the most controversial episodes of Moonlighting ever. You either are moved by it or totally turned off. I wonder what upsets people more....when Maddie comes back in Tracks of My Tears married to Walter or by the demise of the baby in this one?
No denying though...just the idea of this episode is one of the most unusual creative ideas ever attempted on Moonlighting. I have always been in the camp that liked this episode and thought it was special. Yet I know there are many out there who feel quite differently about it than I do.
Post by haddie mayes on Mar 3, 2007 11:08:08 GMT -5
I`ll give it a 7/8 out of 10 .
Really liked the episode and how original and clever seeing the baby`s point of view was but even though in my heart it would have been very difficult to have a baby in the show , the final outcome of this episode still upsets me and because we get so close to Maddie having the baby it leaves me with a sense of longing and yearning and the burning feeling of what if ?. But as my vote tells you other than the last 5 minutes or so i really enjoy watching this episode again and again.
thank you guys for opening season 5 threads! ;D i totally agree with cindy when she says that this is one of the most controversial episodes of ML.i have to say i don't mind it and i really was moved by it!but i can understand disappointed people. i mean...why such a "cruel" thing?
Just got finished watching this episode with commentary, i give it a 5. I enjoy the first half alot. It's light and cute and funny and touching, but once the dance scene w/M/D start at the shower doom sets in and i get sick just watching it knowing the tragedy that's coming. I'm sorry they felt a baby would have brought the shows ratings down cause getting rid of the baby sure didn't bring the ratings up. This was the start of the fall of ML even though there are some good episodes to follow. JMHO.
It's been a long time since I watched this, before yesterday when I got the dvd's. As usual I had made it up in my head to be worse than it actually is. It's not one of my favorite episodes in season 5, because of what happens at the end, but if I watch this episode like a movie, it's actually really good. I can take a little sadness, the end scene at the hospital is promising, maybe this experience made them closer. It could have brought David and Maddie closer, and the fact that he was avoiding her for the following two weeks isn't taken into consideration when I rate this episode. I'll give it a 7, because I love the sweet scenes in the office, then the dancing and the end scene. Very promising after all. Baby Hayes is also cute.
Post by bluemooner on Mar 12, 2007 11:41:15 GMT -5
I think i do really like this episode. Had it not been for the ending, iwould have loved it. I really enjoy Bruce as Baby Hayes--to cute in his blue strecthy. I love the family album and the way jerome teaches baby hayes about life, the good and the bad. Oh, if onley things had gone differently. but, Cybill does an amazing job in the hospital scene. she makes me want to cry. i give it an 8.
Although I couldn't wait to receive Season 5 and have a complete collection, I found myself reluctant to actually sit down and watch any of the final season episodes in full. But, last night, I decided to watch this episode - with the commentary.
The commentaries as a whole have been a godsend, but I am esp. grateful to Glenn Caron and Jay Daniel for this one. The commentary explained a lot and Glenn's and Jay's cheerful chat was a welcome distraction from the impending painful storyline turn. So much so, that I was able to continue on watching through the following two episodes.
As for the episode, rating-wise I guess I give it a... 7?
Wow this is a hard episode for me personally to watch and then to rate, but I'll give it a shot. From a creative standpoint, the episode is very unique and like others in the series, groundbreaking on how it takes on a topic. I think Bruce did a magnificent job as well as the emissary, who I can't help but calling Fisk from Heaven Can Wait. The production values were quaint as compared to even other episodes, but got the point across. I was somewhat surprised that they had to rely on so much stock footage for a season opener, even more so when you consider how long they had to prepare for this one with the writers strike and all.
I remember on its original showing on ABC that I felt extremely disappointed in how they teased us with Baby Hayes this entire time only to end it in such a fashion. Since they wrote in Cybill's real life pregnancy into the scripts, I would think it would be a natural to write in her real life dealing with children into the show as well. I never expected the ending to come out as it did, so I suppose they got the desired surprise effect from me.
Considering the ratings drops from the third season (in the 40's) to this episode (I think in the 20's) to the rapid fall into the low teens, I wasn't the only one who finally lost patience with the direction they were going. I did watch the episodes after this one, but something was missing. I went from rabid fan to one who just really didn't care anymore.
The commentary was good and bad. Glen seemed to be way off his game, not even remembering which season this episode was from. Jay did his usual super job and did a lot of research prior to going into the recording. Too bad he didn't do more episodes.
I am finally getting around to have the time to carefully watch the season 5 DVds.
I have to say my opinion of this episode has not changed much from my original viewing. The first three quarters of this episode I think are great -- the emissary, Bruce's spot on baby performance, the revelation that David was indeed the baby's father.....
But the end totally leaves me with a bad taste.....of course due to the miscarriage (or wasn't it really a still birth?).
By far the worst was the singing and dancing after the loss of the baby -- I remember being totally appalled the first time around, and although I am older and wiser, it still is just ugly.
I can't help but think this is Glenn thumbing his nose at the fans and the network.....and to be honest, in hindsight, is a precursor to how Lunar Eclipse is handled.
I give the first part a 9, and the last part a 1.
(haven't done the commentaries yet.....leaving them till last.)
Post by maddieaddisonjr on Apr 17, 2007 20:03:50 GMT -5
For me episodes earn points. They start with none, instead of starting at ten. I give the season five opener a 6, each point of which Baby Hayes earned. Bruce was wonderful as the baby! I was convinced that he was this adorable child. And I thought the Spaghetti Western-themed Viola vs. Magillicuddy water cooler contest was very funny – as were the male office workers growling at the nanny candidates.
Other than that this one went way past Saturn. I mean, this was the strangest and most disjointed ML episode yet. I don’t mean that it was all bad…but as a whole it wasn't very good.
At first I thought David in the office surrounded by a bunch of ‘babes’ was a flashback until a very pregnant Maddie made an appearance. The idea that David would seriously have these women as some sort of nanny pool for Maddie’s (and possibly his) baby just didn’t ring true for the David we left at the end of S4. It was meant to be funny but it didn’t fit IMO.
Something was missing between our couple with the exception of them dancing together. Their argument over the ‘au pairs’ just didn’t have that zing and fell rather flat. (I need to go back to the earlier seasons’ rate threads so that I can write more positive reviews. I don’t want to sound like a ‘non-fan’ who simply enjoys writing negative reviews. For these later eps I just can't help it; I'm being honest.)
I didn’t like the opening dance number at all and Bruce had all the enthusiasm of someone who’d like to be doing anything else. From the fourth wall breaking intro through Cybill’s late entrance no one seemed to be enjoying themselves. They could have skipped all that and had more time devoted to David and Maddie emoting.
I thought the emissary’s theology and the vision of the dark side of mankind was rather serious for the show and a little jarring. It wasn't really a bad thing; I kinda liked that the writers dared to do it. But since my real life belief is somewhat different from the emissary’s explanation that although Baby Hayes would not be born to Maddie and David, he would soon be born to someone else; I found the oh-well-it-happens attitude about the miscarriage and the moving-on-to-greener-pastures dance number to be in poor taste. For me Baby Hayes didn’t go to another family; during the miscarriage he died. So the levity of the scene disturbed me.
I realize this is just a TV show – and a 20-year-old one at that, but here’s something else. Maddie and David didn’t seem as upset as they should have been. I mean, they were just a tad detached from their baby’s death. The baby was rather far along and outside the womb would have been ‘recognizable’ as a small baby, so I would think their reaction would’ve been that of a couple whose newborn infant died. Surely they would have asked to see the baby or been offered that. If so, how come they didn’t seem to really grieve for him?
Hey, and I didn't like Agnes calling Bert a 'jerk' behind his back after she said those nice things to him and kissed him. That's not like Agnes.
This strange little piece of filming was like a filler episode placed at the very beginning of the new season. And it don’t bode well, folks. Bracing myself and moving on to “Yuk”…
Post by honeyblondenoggin on Apr 25, 2007 15:09:02 GMT -5
I give this episode a 6.
maddie jr, I could have written your post. Every single thing you said, from the "zip" being lost in D&M's banter, to not wasting so much of our time on a stupid opening dance number that could have been spent on dealing with D&M at the end, to the way they really didn't seem upset enough about the whole thing. My best friend had a miscarriage at 10 weeks and was WAY WAY MORE broken up about it. This was more like a stillbirth. David seemed to be sleepwalking through this tragedy -- for someone known for his depth of emotion, it is certainly lacking here. The dialogue between D&M in the hospital is choppy and disjointed.
The reason this episode even gets a 6 is because of the middle, where Baby Hayes learns about his parents (in the story book), about life (using the montages) and Jerome in general. He is delightful.