Even though Glenn was the head writer in the first 4 seasons, I think Jeff Reno and Ron Osborn were the heart of the writing team. Kerry Ehrin played a major role as well. If they had stayed on writing Season 5, there might have been some hope because they too always tried to be true to David and Maddie.
Sometimes I'm not too sure if Glenn would have given us the ending we wanted. After all, he gave us Walter Bishop, A Trip to the Moon and AWWAV (the death of Baby Hayes). What was up with that?
A follow-up to my previous post about Glenn giving (or not giving) us the ending we wanted -
I am reminded of a comment Glenn made during the A Trip to the Moon commentary with Bruce. I believe that Glenn compares Maddie's attraction to David as a moth to a flame. Given that, it would seem that Glenn never believed that David and Maddie could be happy together, that they were totally wrong for each other. If that is the case, then it would explain why he constantly drove a wedge between them. The more I think about it, I feel that Glenn never thought their relationship would work, so he might have written an ending not unlike LE.
Post by Maddie Addison on Sept 13, 2007 19:28:49 GMT -5
I watched this episode before goes to sleep yesterday. Not a good episode to ended up the night.
I think this is the only episode from the whole series that got me so frustrated and so mad. I can't remember watching when first aired so it was the very first time I watched the episode.
To me got too much plots in the final episode. Too much confusion. I mean Maddie and David still unresolved, David and Annie, Agnes and Bertie Wedding, Annie's husband.
I would rather to not have the Maddie/David/Annie triangle or to David break up with her in the episode before, then this episode would be to solve things between them, for them to have a long and honest talk about their feelings followed by Agnes and Bert wedding.
Why torture fans like that?
"We are kindred souls Kate, as mountains to wind. Each of us moves not, though the other blow perpetually. More to the point, I saw me in thee. "
Post by maddieaddisonjr on Oct 1, 2007 16:38:23 GMT -5
Maddie, that's a tough episode to watch right before bed. Don't do that to yourself again!
lin, I'm a sucker for a good romance. Since a story can't be all smooth sailing (or it would be boring) it seems to me that Maddie and David were perfect characters for a nice long drawn out romance that would end with them very much together. It was exciting to watch these two polar opposites draw closer together. I'd hate to think that the main producer of the show never had any faith in the core of it.
When this first aired I was in a big funk for a week!! I know, it's just TV, but boy did they do a great job of pulling us in for 5 years.
I just got all of the DVD's this past summer and have watched them twice and every time I get to the end I have to tell myself to snap out of it--- it is only a TV show!!
If anyone else finds themselves in a "funk" as well the perfect remedy is to read Virtual Moonlighting. They have done a great job of tuning into all of the characters, not just David and Maddie. These ladies really get it and continue to let D and M's characters and their relationship grow and develop. It is fun to read and keeps you wanting more, just like the show does.
And while you read, go to their forum and let them know how much you enjoy their site. They are deserving of our praise, as they write not only for their own enjoyment, but also for all of us ML crazies as well!
There is also fanfiction.net where others have posted their own stories. Diane has written a wonderful reunion story there as well. This site is fun, but VM is the best, IMO!!
Go check'em out!
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Post by maddieaddisonjr on Dec 14, 2007 21:24:07 GMT -5
beesnbears, I've just watched the last two episodes of season 5 and I think reading Virtual Moonlighting would be a very good antidote.
*sigh* If you're already numb from When Girls Collide and have already seen LE, then you can watch the latter with little emotional involvement which is a good thing.
(Bert Viola was a hoot! *L*)
I stand corrected - they did hold hands in the end. But that's crumbs! The only kissing was in the montage. The montage itself was okay but would it have killed them to use a more upbeat song - something less 'muzakky?' How about Sinatra or Motown?
What else can be said? In the Pilot ML was a rambunctious toddler full of fun and ready to take on the world. In LE it's an 80 year old alzheimer's patient who's ready for his final rest. This time around I was ready for it too.
But I think of all the great Moonlighting episodes in its prime that certainly hold up to the test of time and compare more than just favorably to other popular shows of yesterday and today. Excuse me for being overly sentimental but ML is a true cinematic classic. And classics never die.
Here's looking at you, kid, because we'll always have the dream sequences! ;D
Post by beesnbears on Dec 16, 2007 16:49:19 GMT -5
You are absolutely right about ML standing the test of time. 20 years later my kids who are 14 and 22 have watched a few episodes and really like the show. Seems like I read or heard in a commentary where GGC said that if in 20 years or so people are still watching and laughing then they did what they set out to do.
However, because of him saying this, I find it hard to believe that he would not want a reunion or some kind of closure for the best TV show ever. I mean honestly, has there ever been another show that has ever held up to the ingenuity of ML?!?
Not sure what everyone is afraid of, including BW. He alone would draw the box office and CS is really very funny and still drop dead gorgeous! Sure would like to see the sparks fly again!
Well yeah it did stand the test of time, since I'm 18 & I think this is my favourite show ever lol .. I didn't hate the finale as all of you did, it didn't have a sad ending, they left it to our imagination, they were at that church, they were trying to revive the romance although that wasn't the real David & Maddie .. I was so confused about the breaking of the 4th wall, it was very interesting to see that they understood what they did to the show, & that is wasn't just about the laughs, those people were very important to us, Gosh, I thought about them all the time during season 4, praying for things to get back to normal lol, it's more than a TV show for people who stuck around for season 5, it had some great funny episodes, but none of that magic, that old, special, unique, one of a kind, unbelievable, amazing magic that they had in the first 3 seasons .. I chose to believe, that after Annie got out of the picture, David & Maddie could have worked things out .. The montage at the end was awful! what the hell? random scenes, with bad music, although it was still moving since it was the finale, it could have been better, I really need the commentaries of this episode, but I can't find them online & we don't have the DVD's here ..
Anyway not the worst finale, could have been a lot worse, like Maddie leaving to Chicago for good, or David marrying Annie or something .. I'm so thankful it wasn't that bad, you guys frightened me with your horrible reviews before I watched it lol
Thank you, Nazel, for the lots of fresh opinions. I enjoyed your posts and getting to know how young people see it. Yes, Moonlighting is amazing! And your post reminded me that I once tried to convinced myself..."It wasn't the worst ending,anyway..." But I now think it ended at the worst place on the storyline. For me, D&M ended up like losers, look at David's face, he looks starting to cry, so sad face I've never seen before. Because No celebrating Love that we used to feel in the show, but there is only a treacherous world all over the Lunar Eclipse. Sorry for the expression, but I think it had made the show no more funny. What most saddens me is, even after a long time, the produce side has left the viewers the possibility that people would think D&M separation or D marrying to A. No way, because David knew Annie was not right for him, I agree with Lizzie's theory in this site, so he had her sent to her husband. D&M have shared more deep, amazing and crazy love each other. I suppose no one knew it at that time without D&M. And I, too, believe they would have worked the things out. Glad to know you like it. The last story might have tried to express David's difficult emotions or complex character, but I think it hadn't done enough at all and in the right way, and just has left us the huge question. Sorry for my bad English, I don't mean to make you depressed. Just my thought. And I hope you'll enjoy again from the Pilot!
Post by maddieaddisonjr on Jul 25, 2008 0:53:56 GMT -5
When all's said and done, was a full-on lip-lock kiss in the last camera shot too freaking much to ask for? Seriously. If the producers had even done that much, the finale would have seemed ten times better - even if it wouldn't really be ten times better. (In my humble opinion.
Anyway, nazel, I'm glad it didn't leave a sour feeling in your gut like it did mine. It's nice to know that Lunar Eclipse didn't kill all the fans!
Honestly, as you said, I would have felt really much better if D&M had shared a lovely kiss at the very end. Although the story was awful, I took Maddie's last line as her ultimate confession of love for David. And David could have understood it. I think it would have been an appropriate ending that they shared a kiss and gave us a lot of hope saying good-bye.
By the way, I also enjoy your posts, they are great as well as the other people's on the board. Thank you for sharing!
What are you talking about! I got depressed last night lol! Yeah it wasn't that awful, but it was just really sad to see how moonlighting ended .. But then I watched "Twas the episode before christmas" & it brought the smile back to my face lol
Oh, never mind about my post. I got your point and felt my opinion hurt you. Sorry about that.
It's good that you don't feel the last episode was awful. I suppose there are many kind of feelings and opinions about the show. Moonlighting has been popular all over the world. And I think it is wonderful. Just take mine as a too obsessed opinion. And I have to admit that I really like to hear the different opinions of the show and ponder over the questions which I get.
Post by callmeditzy on Sept 16, 2008 22:42:55 GMT -5
I know I saw this when it first aired, but I didn't remember any of the details, except that the "show" got canceled and Maddie and David didn't end up together. Now I realized I must have blocked the rest out as a coping mechanism. Because I just watched it for the first time in 20 years and I want to jump off a bridge.
I'm sure I'm being a wee bit overdramatic, but that was an abomination. WHY did nobody warn me about the opening of this episode?! I was literally in pain watching...that. I don't even hate Annie. I just hate seeing David like that with someone else, knowing we never got to see him like that with Maddie. Ugh.
I'm still completely confused about David's motivation for being with Annie and for breaking up with her. Is that the writers' fault or the director's for not making it clear? Throughout the rest of the seasons, even though it was rarely expressed in dialogue, it was always abundantly clear what Maddie and David were feeling. Throughout this whole Annnie arc, that was completely missing. I hate that these characters, who seemed so real in the first seasons, feel like strangers to me at the ending. It wasn't even sad to say goodbye to them, because I felt like I didn't even know who they were.
What makes me the most angry is Dennis Dugan's speech in the screening room. What he says is completely true and makes total sense. Season 5 was largely unsatisfying (and that's being generous) because Maddie and David were portrayed as being "pals" who had a "fling" but were completely over it and that's not what the audience wanted to see. But in this scene, the writers are acknowledging that they knew what was wrong and what needed to be done to fix it and they just...didn't. It doesn't make any sense. There were several incidents of this throughout Seasons 4 or 5 when somebody, usually Agnes, would give voice to what we, the audience, were feeling frustrated with. So if the writers knew what was frustrating us and felt it important enough to include in the dialogue, why the h*ll didn't they do something about it?!
I'm pretty sure I won't be watching any of these last episodes ever again.
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