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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 3:45:29 GMT -5
Hey goldie, love your new avatar. Is that from "'Twas the episode before Christmas"? Yes, it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 4:42:23 GMT -5
OK, I'll try to express my opinion. Sorry if I have grammar mistakes, but the grammar is too hard for me. ;D First of all, I don't take a side here - for me both David and Maddie have a fault.
David's fault (or let's call it mistake) - he didn't take her on a date. Like Maddie said: "I know what it's like to be in bed with you for 14 hours but I don't know what it's like to go to a store together and buy... I don't know, something." For this four weeks all they do is "trash at each other." Every day after work, that's all they ever do. Maddie starts to think that David doesn't love her the way she does. And exactly because they only sleep together, she starts to be unsure and to think that he's only physically attracted to her. She doesn't want only a bed relationship, she wants a romance.
When Maddie said that she wants to go a date, David says: "Just tell me what to do and I will do it." He had to take her out somewhere first, to take the initiative, that's the way I think. I think every woman would like the man to ask her on a date first.
Then he took her in a laundrymat. Come on, I don't think that there's nowhere else to go - restaurant, coffee... He took her there because there's no choise left for him.
Maddie's fault: Going to Chicago. That messed up the things. OK, she's confused, she need time to think... but to run in Chicago for 4 months? And to ask David not to call her? I think it would be better to take a few days off work and to think without seeing David. And when she finds out that she's pregnant she decides not to tell David - come on, lady, what if he's the father? He have the right to know.
She tells about the pregnancy to Agnes. When Agnes spills the beans in front of Bert, he tells to David. David immediately go to catch the first plane to Chicago. If Maddie had told him about the baby, she could have been convince him not to go to Chicago.
Oh, and one more thing - David told about his feelings to Mr. Hayes, but why not to Maddie? He had to tell that speech to Maddie to - either by the phone or when she came back.
Sorry again if I have grammar mistakes and thanks for reading!
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Post by sandra on Jan 31, 2011 5:26:59 GMT -5
OK, I'll try to express my opinion. Sorry if I have grammar mistakes, but the grammar is too hard for me. ;D First of all, I don't take a side here - for me both David and Maddie have a fault. You're sooo right - and I think that goldie and I can both agree on that. And would you please just knock it off with that grammar stuff?! You're doing great! Tell her when she came back? Uhm... do you mean before of after she had told him she had married a stranger on a train?? I don't think anybody could expect a declaration of love from David after that news and the - sorry: unfeeling - way it was delivered by Maddie ("Can't you find anything nice to say?" - paraphrasing here; haven't rewatched that ep yet) The rest of what you said: perfectly well balanced, AddisonHayes, and I can agree with most of it and accept the rest ! Goldie, what d'you say, have we found a perfect mediator or what?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 6:34:51 GMT -5
Tell her when she came back? Uhm... do you mean before of after she had told him she had married a stranger on a train?? I don't think anybody could expect a declaration of love from David after that news and the - sorry: unfeeling - way it was delivered by Maddie ("Can't you say anything nice?" - paraphrasing here; haven't rewatched that ep yet) Oops - I forgot about Walter Bishop. Well, in that case he had to tell her after the speech to Mr. Hayes when he came back to the office. He could tell her about the speech or something like that - I don't know. And about that marriage with a stranger in a train - that's not what Maddie would do. Remember in "The Man Who Cried Wife" she said: "How convenient." Isn't that the same? Is it convenient to marry a stranger on a train or what?
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Post by sandra on Jan 31, 2011 7:05:42 GMT -5
And about that marriage with a stranger in a train - that's not what Maddie would do. Remember in "The Man Who Cried Wife" she said: "How convenient." Isn't that the same? Is it convenient to marry a stranger on a train or what? I agree, that was completely out of character. Talking about their actions, though, we have to take it into consideration, because the fact remains that - Maddie did it. Cybill was right to object; that was bad writing. But then again... that marriage gave us a beautiful, rare season 4 gem like MHGM...
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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Jan 31, 2011 10:51:07 GMT -5
Cybill was right to object; that was bad writing. But then again... that marriage gave us a beautiful, rare season 4 gem like MHGM... Yeah - it's always good to try to look for the positives :-) We Moonlighting fans always have to look for the silver lining- we are pros! MHGM was awesome wasn't it? I have most of season 3 to watch before I begin this walk through the tangled woods :-)
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Post by sandra on Jan 31, 2011 10:56:05 GMT -5
I have most of season 3 to watch before I begin this walk through the tangled woods :-) Hmmm... I've watched only "Trip to the moon" so far - maye I'll wait for you to catch up, so we can suffer together, I could do a little season 3 re-rewatch in the meanwhile LOL...
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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Jan 31, 2011 15:00:25 GMT -5
Yes let's do that Sandra- as long as you don't mind the wait? :-)
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Post by sandra on Jan 31, 2011 15:04:32 GMT -5
Nay... It'll be good not to have to face it alone... and besides, these days I'm so busy on my keyboard anyway...
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Post by goldilocks on Jan 31, 2011 15:08:15 GMT -5
Hey goldie, love your new avatar. Is that from "'Twas the episode before Christmas"? thank you dear I love this one too, it was created by a very devoted Moonlighting fan and I am very grateful I can use it p.s. yep, it is from "Twas the episode before Christmas", a great episode!
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Post by goldilocks on Jan 31, 2011 15:30:15 GMT -5
OK, I'll try to express my opinion. Sorry if I have grammar mistakes, but the grammar is too hard for me. ;D First of all, I don't take a side here - for me both David and Maddie have a fault. Well... Yep, both of them have their faults, who doesn't ? But... I just have this confusing feeling that if David did something he was suposed to do we could possibly have escaped some actions which Maddie did but was not supposed to do. David's fault (or let's call it mistake) - he didn't take her on a date. Like Maddie said: "I know what it's like to be in bed with you for 14 hours but I don't know what it's like to go to a store together and buy... I don't know, something." For this for weeks all they do is "trash at each other." Every day after work, that's all they ever do. Maddie starts to think that David doesn't love her the way she does. And exactly because they only sleep together, she starts to be unsure and to think that he's only physically attracted to her. She doesn't want only a bed relationship, she wants a romance. AGREED! AGREED! AGREED! Maddie's fault: Going to Chicago. That messed up the things. OK, she's confused, she need time to think... but to run in Chicago for 4 months? And to ask David not to call her? I think it would be better to take a few days off work and to think without seeing David. Hm... I don't like this her action too, it is very "Maddie-like", but.... I would do that too. I know, it sounds crazy But the point is that sometimes in order to understand something about somebody you just need your own space, without this somebody in it. It helps a lot. Taking a day off won't solve the problem, because first of all, knowing that he is in the same town and feeling his presense everywhere won't help to think straight. Second of all, she can't keep him away, and what is even more important she can't stay away from him when he is near. So.... it's better to be away from him. Remember: she was not going to leave him or something as she left for Chicago. She wanted to think, to analyse, well, to do the things she usually did. She was not going to stay there for 4 months, it just happened so..because of the pregnancy. It was a different story... a sad one And when she finds out that she's pregnant she decides not to tell David - come on, lady, what if he's the father? He have the right to know. agreed, that was selfish of her. At that moment the lady was thinking only of herself. Although, sometimes I think that she wanted to protect him: she knew he would stay with her anyway, even if the baby was not his and she just didn't want to "steal" his life... Maybe. Sorry again if I have grammar mistakes and thanks for reading! AddisonHayes, what grammar mistakes? Where are they? I've not noticed any But what I did notice is a great analysis of the episode! Loved that
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Post by goldilocks on Jan 31, 2011 15:35:20 GMT -5
Goldie, what d'you say, have we found a perfect mediator or what?! We definitely have my dear Although, I do love our little disagreements
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 15:40:40 GMT -5
Hm... I don't like this her action too, it is very "Maddie-like", but.... I would do that too. I know, it sounds crazy But the point is that sometimes in order to understand something about somebody you just need your own space, without this somebody in it. It helps a lot. Taking a day off won't solve the problem, because first of all, knowing that he is in the same town and feeling his presense everywhere won't help to think straight. Second of all, she can't keep him away, and what is even more important she can't stay away from him when he is near. So.... it's better to be away from him. Remember: she was not going to leave him or something as she left for Chicago. She wanted to think, to analyse, well, to do the things she usually did. She was not going to stay there for 4 months, it just happened so..because of the pregnancy. It was a different story... a sad one Yeah, but for me it's not the right thing. OK, she want to think, analyse... I accept that she went to Chicago, but 1 week will be enough, or at least I think so. She stayed too much... if it was for a week, max 2 will be fine... but 4 months... that messed up all the things.
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Post by goldilocks on Jan 31, 2011 15:50:20 GMT -5
Yeah, but for me it's not the right thing. OK, she want to think, analyse... I accept that she went to Chicago, but 1 week will be enough, or at least I think so. She stayed too much... if it was for a week, max 2 will be fine... but 4 months... that messed up all the things. I know... it was too long. But as I've said she didn't mean to stay there for so long. I think it was her pregnancy that made her so confused. You see, at the beginning she went to Chicago to think. But than after she had discovered that she was going to have a baby... and she didn't know who the father of the baby was and she understood perfectly well, that it could be Sam, and not David, I think she was simply scared to death! I mean it was painful for her to come back to David, to look him into his eyes and to tell that the baby wasn't his. I think she just tried to pospone this bitter moment as long as she could. It is very childish, but ... it is Maddie.
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Post by sandra on Jan 31, 2011 15:58:35 GMT -5
Yeah, but for me it's not the right thing. OK, she want to think, analyse... I accept that she went to Chicago, but 1 week will be enough, or at least I think so. She stayed too much... if it was for a week, max 2 will be fine... but 4 months... that messed up all the things. I know... it was too long. But as I've said she didn't mean to stay there for so long. I think it was her pregnancy that made her so confused. You see, at the beginning she went to Chicago to think. But than after she had discovered that she was going to have a baby... and she didn't know who the father of the baby was and she understood perfectly well, that it could be Sam, and not David, I think she was simply scared to death! I mean it was painful for her to come back to David, to look him into his eyes and to tell that the baby wasn't his. I think she just tried to pospone this bitter moment as long as she could. It is very childish, but ... it is Maddie. Goldie, take this: COMPLETELY AGREE!!! ;D Perfectly understandable that her pregnancy multiplied her confusion, plus given the fact she couldn't be sure who was the father... it was not the right thing to do, because David of course had a right to know about it, and it was definitely too long (and I think the longer she stayed the more difficult it became to go back) but - perfectly understandable.
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