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Post by jpen on Apr 21, 2009 19:18:35 GMT -5
THH left me feeling great, I loved it, yes still conflict but what's chemistry without reactions. Agree, since. I would've LOVED to see a little (actually, a LOT) more of that back-and-forth, as they negotiated their way through whatever this "thing" was...including, as some others have suggested on the episode thread, possibly seeing them deal with almost being "caught" in a compromising position at Blue Moon...now that could've been funny. And sweet. And moved the relationship along, even if it had to end up in Chicago because of the pregnancy...
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Post by lin212 on Apr 21, 2009 19:20:05 GMT -5
6. How do you feel about David's declaration to the staff?I thought it was tremendous. It takes a lot of chutzpah for a guy to do that, not only a guy like Dave who never let anybody get “under his skin” like that (which ignores Tess and Gillian, but I digress). It laid down the gauntlet for Maddie to come into the open about her feelings for Dave, and I think she did, kinda, by not running away or slamming a door or some other Maddie-ism. Agree with gray on this. David is the happiest that he has ever been and wants to share that joy. He hates sneaking around, Maddie's pacts and her command to keep their relationship a secret. It took a lot for him to make this declaration because he usually has his game face on when it comes to the wobblies.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 21, 2009 19:21:31 GMT -5
4. "I feel empty inside!": Is this really how Maddie feels? Or is David right--that she just won't let herself be happy? Maybe both are right...Maddie feels empty inside because she is happy with David...be that as it may... loving him goes against her core beliefs on what a happy relationship entails. How can Maddie be happy if she doesn't believe that it is possible to be happy with David? I dunno~
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Post by beesnbears on Apr 21, 2009 19:22:42 GMT -5
She is rather prudish and is concerned that it is just sex for David - nothing more. She needs it to mean something and is afraid that it doesn't. lin
EXACTLY!! It is so frustrating that she can't see that it does mean something to David other than the physical.
....I just wanna slap her sometimes!! ;D
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 21, 2009 19:24:20 GMT -5
And just look at her body language in the scene in her bathroom -- his singing, hell, his mere existence there cause her to physically cringe! Unfortunately, Bruno's album sales show that Maddie was not alone in that reaction. And for the record, I STILL have my Return of Bruno cassette.....but I haven't had a cassette player since like 91. LMAO...I missed you guys~by the way...the avatar is award worthy
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Post by graycav56 on Apr 21, 2009 19:29:48 GMT -5
11. And finally...What is the DEAL with the six-minute set piece "David v. the Invisible Prowler"? Prizes will be awarded for any explanation that makes this scene plausible within the context of the episode...
I think Nostradamus had this listed in one of his prophecies where he predicted the end of Moonlighting.
Umm, Dave does this bit just to show he is the male protector, but we already know that. He wanted to get her to come back out and didn’t know how to do that.
In reality, just more filler. Bruce did a wonderful acting job, but this bit went nowhere slow and did nothing to advance the plot. To their credit, the editors did pretty good work of cutting in footage from several days of filming, and you hardly notice where Cybill’s body double comes in.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 21, 2009 19:31:52 GMT -5
3. Maddie's angst is pretty palpable from the moment she sits up in bed. What have these past weeks meant (or revealed) to her? How does her view of their relationship reflect her personality? I think her inner most desires were revealed to her in ways that she never imagined. And yes, I am talking physically and emotionally. She is so struck by the fact that she actually enjoys being with a man like David that she refuses to “let herself be happy”. I am sure all of her life she envisioned herself meeting, falling in love, and maybe even getting married one day to someone who was the exact opposite of David and she can’t let that idea go. This is part of her personality. She is a “thinker” and does not care to much for spontaneity when it comes to men. Bees, I agree, hadn't read your response before I posted mine. Maddie has this Harlequin Romance idea of falling in love and she is dumbstruck as to dealing with this "unplanned" scenario. Maddie has to play it by ear which is more of David's thing. That's why she feels he is in control, this is David's game. At the beginning of THH, Maddie asks David what is next...I think she says something like "you've done this before, how do we do this?"
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 21, 2009 19:32:27 GMT -5
11. And finally...What is the DEAL with the six-minute set piece "David v. the Invisible Prowler"? Prizes will be awarded for any explanation that makes this scene plausible within the context of the episode...I think Nostradamus had this listed in one of his prophecies where he predicted the end of Moonlighting. LOL...which quatrain?
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 21, 2009 19:36:06 GMT -5
11. And finally...What is the DEAL with the six-minute set piece "David v. the Invisible Prowler"? Prizes will be awarded for any explanation that makes this scene plausible within the context of the episode... Gray said it best..."going nowhere slow" but great work by the editors and of course, Bruce gave it the ole college try.
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Post by jpen on Apr 21, 2009 19:38:23 GMT -5
3. Maddie's angst is pretty palpable from the moment she sits up in bed. What have these past weeks meant (or revealed) to her? How does her view of their relationship reflect her personality? What comes to mind is Maddie's comment to David while in the office: "I don't do that...not like that." Then there was her remark in THH after she and David had mussed the sheets. "Why does this keep happening?" and then, "Just because it's terrific, doesn't mean I have to like it!" while then admitting that she does like it. I think that Maddie cannot come to grips with the fact that she enjoys the physical side of their relationship. She is rather prudish and is concerned that it is just sex for David - nothing more. She needs it to mean something and is afraid that it doesn't. What is her response to David when he offers to go out on a date, talk and do all the things she talked about in the morning? "The thought of sleeping alone destroys you, doesn't it?" I think she is ashamed. Her behavior is not what she expected of herself. That's why she feels empty inside. Well said, lin. I also think that she is suffering from the collapse of some possibly subconscious or undefined expectations. When she chose to not marry Sam, she admitted that she loved David. I think perhaps she thought that, once she succumbed to The Great Temptation and slept with David, somehow things would fall into place. It wasn't right with Sam, and she and David have been doing this dance for three years--he knows her better than anyone else, etc. She has shared so much with David that, in the back of her mind, at least, she expects that she'll wake up the next day and feel good about what they've done--that the sex will cement the connection they have already forged...and that somehow, all the things about David that drive her crazy will change, or at least become less important. But they don't. David is still David, the next morning, and the next, and the next... They haven't magically dropped into the kind of "ideal" relationship Maddie has expected/hoped for; things are awkward and insecure. They've never been good at communicating their feelings about each other, and that hasn't changed. So Maddie feels disappointed, too, and just wants to "knock the whole thing off" (the Avoidance Game)--and makes a vow to do just that, every day. But for reasons that mystify (and--I agree with diane--terrify) her, she can't resist David. So she breaks her vow, and the cycle keeps on going. After a month of that, I can't blame her for feeling exhausted and empty. But surely, surely, she could've seen how hard David is trying...
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 21, 2009 19:39:04 GMT -5
6. How do you feel about David's declaration to the staff? Honestly, I felt about as awkward as Maddie. If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time we hear David actually declare his love for Maddie...a bit inappropriate and almost desperate, too little too late sort of thing.
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Post by graycav56 on Apr 21, 2009 19:41:43 GMT -5
I hadn't watched this episode for quite a while and one thing hit me.....it seemed, well, dated.
I don't recall having that feeling before, but finally the clothes, the pop culture references, the car, the Lockheed L-1011 Tri-Star in the final shot....things finally are starting to seem quaint.
If you ever flew in an L-1011 or DC-10 you knew it...those things used every bit of runway to get into the air....some remarked that it only got aloft due to the curvature of the earth!
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Post by lin212 on Apr 21, 2009 19:46:28 GMT -5
5. What does David mean when he says, "You won't commit!" What do you think David is looking for from the relationship at this point? Is Maddie afraid to commit to him, or is she afraid that David can't/won't commit...or does her "sadness" have nothing to do with commitment? I think the fact that Maddie won't go public with their relationship is a sign to David that she is not committed. She screams at him and asks if he wants to admit to the staff that they are sleeping together. When he nods, she is mortified. David wants the world to know that they are a couple, but Maddie is not ready to saddle up with this cowboy in the eyes of the world. Also, she is afraid that the beginning and end of their relationship centers around the bedroom. She believes herself to be deeper than that. Her sadness stems from her confusion about herself and David, as well as her need to have a plan for the future. I can almost hear her asking herself, "Who am I? Where am I going? What does this all mean?"
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 21, 2009 19:47:11 GMT -5
But they don't. David is still David, the next morning, and the next, and the next... They haven't magically dropped into the kind of "ideal" relationship Maddie has expected/hoped for; things are awkward and insecure.[/size] They've never been good at communicating their feelings about each other, and that hasn't changed. So Maddie feels disappointed, too, and just wants to "knock the whole thing off" (the Avoidance Game)--and makes a vow to do just that, every day. But for reasons that mystify (and, I think, terrify) her, she can't resist David. So she breaks her vow, and the cycle keeps on going.
After a month of that, I can't blame her for feeling exhausted and empty. But surely, surely, she could've seen how hard David is trying...Yes JPen, Maddie has figured out additional work is necessary and she's looking for a breather. Suddenly, plot wise, Maddie's disappearing act makes a little more sense. Although the length of time far surpasses the past month...it's about an exhausting three years for Maddie.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Apr 21, 2009 19:50:48 GMT -5
5. What does David mean when he says, "You won't commit!" What do you think David is looking for from the relationship at this point? Is Maddie afraid to commit to him, or is she afraid that David can't/won't commit...or does her "sadness" have nothing to do with commitment? I think the fact that Maddie won't go public with their relationship is a sign to David that she is not committed. She screams at him and asks if he wants to admit to the staff that they are sleeping together. When he nods, she is mortified. David wants the world to know that they are a couple, but Maddie is not ready to saddle up with this cowboy in the eyes of the world[/size]. Also, she is afraid that the beginning and end of their relationship centers around the bedroom. She believes herself to be deeper than that. Her sadness stems from her confusion about herself and David, as well as her need to have a plan for the future. I can almost hear her asking herself, "Who am I? Where am I going? What does this all mean?"Lin another great observation and typical David's POV vs. Maddie's POV. Commitment for David is a public admittance...commitment for Maddie is David's private reassurance...interesting.
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