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Post by beesnbears on Mar 24, 2009 19:05:29 GMT -5
This one required some digging and, most likely, over thinking, but here you go!! So, don your specs....whether they be x-ray bans or ray bans!! ....and have fun! 1. What do you make of the title? How is the old western referenced which the title is based? 2. Regarding David’s antics in the office and out working the case---is Maddie’s reaction to them the same or different than her reactions later on in their relationship? Why? 3. Why does David oppose Maddie going into the bar and what do you think the real reason is why he waits in his car while she has dinner with Farley? 4. What is revealed as to Maddie’s character as she wakes up, enters Blue Moon for the first time as its CEO, works the Farley case and solves their first mystery? 5. What is revealed as to David’s character as he starts working with the new boss? 6. What would Maddie’s moral of the case story be? And David’s? For fun: How are Bruce and Tim Robbins connected about 5 or 6 years later? Feel free to add more!!
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 24, 2009 19:28:47 GMT -5
1. What do you make of the title? How is the old western referenced which the episode is based?Like most of the episodes, I love the title. It is a take off on the old Gunfight at the OK Corral, which, like this episode, spent the vast majority of its time building up to that eventual climax. As with the movie, sooner or later they got around to the gun play, but with much less deadly results. In fact, for two supposedly top notch hit men, these dudes can’t shoot worth a darn! (Full disclaimer here – I am an expert pistol shot with both 9mm and .45 caliber pistols…..a handy qualification in my former line of work.)
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 24, 2009 19:38:15 GMT -5
2. Regarding David’s antics in the office and out working the case---is Maddie’s reaction to them the same or different than her reactions later on in their relationship? Why?
Obviously Maddie is still developing her relationship with David, just work centric at this point. I feel she falls for his lines rather quickly here in episode one, a trait that will evolve into a Reaganesque “Trust but Verify” later on.
Overall I think she knows that David is a con man at heart, but he did indeed come through with a client when he said he was going to….and Maddie was never the wiser as how he pulled off THAT miracle.
I believe she still acquiesces to him being the “professional” detective at this point, even though it is proven they never had any cases and I don’t know how the heck he ever got his PI license in the first place. Ah, the things that could have been explored had we the chance.
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Post by diane on Mar 24, 2009 19:40:43 GMT -5
Hi all......
Yes, I am back...by popular demand and some outdated extradition laws!!!!
Thanks for all your kind mentions and good wishes......I had a great time, got my head together, and most importantly...found out that the 2009 Phillies are going to be a force to be reckoned with!!!!
On to Gunfight...
1. What do you make of the title? How is the old western referenced which the title is based?
The title of the original movie was "Gunfight at the OK Corral", and refers to a famous gunfight in which law and order (aka the Earps) fought against the bandits and rustlers (aka the other guys whose names I don't know) who terrorized the old West.
I don't read too much into that as both the guys were contract killers...but I guess the gunfight itself is reminiscent, and the title was pretty good!
2. Regarding David’s antics in the office and out working the case---is Maddie’s reaction to them the same or different than her reactions later on in their relationship? Why?
I think Maddie is just appalled! She has let this con artist get to her, and she realizes she has no idea what she is doing...and basically, neither does he! At this point, neither of them have any idea who the other really is, and each of them individually is fighting for his/her survival, with the clear knowledge that they need the other person to do so. What's missing here is the trust...and the love......both coming up in later seasons!
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Post by lin212 on Mar 24, 2009 19:41:14 GMT -5
I am going to jump around a bit on the order of the questions. 4. What is revealed as to Maddie’s character as she wakes up, enters Blue Moon for the first time as its CEO, works the Farley case and solves their first mystery? The first thing that comes to mind is Maddie's eagerness. She wants to learn, wants to be taken seriously and wants to make the agency viable. She is not "playing" at being a detective. As I watch her, I also see her wide-eyed innocence, naivete. At times, she seems so young, idealistic. We also see Maddie's romantic, soft side. She cannot tell Farley Wrye about his"son" because he is sick, dying. She feels bad for that poor man. Even when she learns the true nature of Farley's search, she cannot walk away and let them shoot it out. She needs to set things right and save them both. Aside: What do you think about Maddie waking up to "Tutti Frutti"? Knowing what we know about her now, do you think that is her kind of song? Doesn't seem right.
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 24, 2009 19:44:30 GMT -5
3. Why does David oppose Maddie going into the bar and what do you think the real reason is why he waits in his car while she has dinner with Farley?
Dave is still pretty much old school…a throwback to the 50’s gumshoe. Dames and Dolls didn’t get involved with “nefarious” characters. I think he was first worried FOR her safety and second, worried ABOUT her screwing up his attempts at getting the lowdown on Michael Wrye.
Ya know, I wonder about the car scene. I don’t think he is worried about her personal safety at this point and I sure don’t think he wants to intercede if Maddie and Tate decide to have a romantic interlude. Both maybe…maybe neither???
Perhaps he was hoping she’d bring him a doggie bag. It’s not often that a guy of Dave’s spending habits gets to dine on Carlisle (Carlyle?) cuisine.
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 24, 2009 19:46:36 GMT -5
Aside: What do you think about Maddie waking up to "Tutti Frutti"? Knowing what we know about her now, do you think that is her kind of song? Ahh, Little Richard. Quintessential Moonlighting but NOT Maddie Hayes tunology whatsoever.
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 24, 2009 19:49:37 GMT -5
4. What is revealed as to Maddie’s character as she wakes up, enters Blue Moon for the first time as its CEO, works the Farley case and solves their first mystery?
She sleeps with eye shadow and liner on?
Actually, I thought she did pretty well. We know from the pilot that she can throw a punch, and can climb a wall. This episode showed that she is willing to give the agency a shot, but demands effort…as much effort as she is going to put in. She also is game for just about anything to make things work…shake her do, walk like a…..well, lady with attitude, drive in a car with a known hit man.
I bet she also found a new way to work. She woke up at 7 am. Later on, David says they have a client coming in at 11:30, twenty minutes hence. Maddie said she was in the office for ten minutes, meaning she got TO work at 11 o’clock! She either takes really long showers or that was one hell of a traffic jam. (This comment coming from someone whose twenty five minute commute home today took an hour and forty-five because several cars attempted to occupy the same space at the same time, completely blocking Interstate 83. Grrrr.)
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Post by diane on Mar 24, 2009 19:51:49 GMT -5
3. Why does David oppose Maddie going into the bar and what do you think the real reason is why he waits in his car while she has dinner with Farley?
Our David is a gentleman.....and a bit of a chauvinist to boot (boy, GCC was right when he had him grow up in South Philadelphia!)
I do think it is funny whenever David tries to be "the man", he usually ends up getting stomped on or looking foolish!
He is sweet when he waits for her in the car....but he hasn't really learned yet that our Maddie really believes she can take care of herself!
4. What is revealed as to Maddie’s character as she wakes up, enters Blue Moon for the first time as its CEO, works the Farley case and solves their first mystery?
As almost a continuation of the previous question.....Maddie is self confident, although naive, and is really looking forward to this new challenge. It is a little silly that she has not comprehended from the balance statements that this business in not exactly flourishing....but then again, that could be part of the woman loving a challenge!
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Post by diane on Mar 24, 2009 19:58:00 GMT -5
For fun: How are Bruce and Tim Robbins connected about 5 or 6 years later?
I am thinking you are talking about "The Player" a very interesting satire about Hollywood in which Tim Robbins stars, and Bruce plays a small role.
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 24, 2009 19:58:11 GMT -5
5. What is revealed as to David’s character as he starts working with the new boss?
He wants to be successful and will do what it takes to be that way. Let’s be honest. He was hired to run that place as a tax dodge. And they did that great! Now, as he promised, they want to MAKE money great. Unfortunately at this point, that is beyond his skill set.
So we see David charm the socks off a cute receptionist, con a killer to walk out with him, and reluctantly but bravely stride into a rumble tumble bar with a novice PI. We also see him be realistic by not wanting to get involved with these shady types and does so only to remain true to the contract Blue Moon made with its first client.
Look also at the lengths he took to impress the new boss. Take a peek at Maddie’s reaction to the furnishings in her new office. He impressed a high class lady. Good job Dave.
Aside: I wonder who is in the photo on Maddie’s desk? SHE obviously didn’t bring it, so Dave put it there. Looks like Ted Danson to me!
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Post by lin212 on Mar 24, 2009 20:02:06 GMT -5
2. Regarding David’s antics in the office and out working the case---is Maddie’s reaction to them the same or different than her reactions later on in their relationship? Why? I think that Maddie realizes early on that David plays fast and loose with the truth. I agree with diane that both Maddie and David know that they need each other to make this thing work. IMO, she gets irritated with David but doesn't get "livid" at this point - for a couple of reasons. The first is that she is green at the detective thing. Secondly, her feelings for David have not yet developed. You know the thing about love and hate being two sides of the same coin? I think that is the case here. As Maddie's feelings for David grow, so does her anger when he disappoints her.
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Post by lin212 on Mar 24, 2009 20:09:46 GMT -5
Another "out there" question - has anyone else noticed how Maddie appears to stare at David's mouth in the scene where David offers to wait for her during her dinner with Farley? She does it in a few other episodes - Symphony is one of them. Don't mind me...
You did it again, gray! Those avatars keep getting better and better!
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 24, 2009 20:12:03 GMT -5
There is another western that I think influenced this episode...the 1976 John Wayne movie THE SHOOTIST. This was Wayne's last film.
That film was about an aging gunfighter named JB Brooks (Wayne) who has terminal cancer. He heads off to Carson City, Nevada to get a second opinion, which is confirmed by a Doc played by Jimmy Stewart.
Like Tate, word gets around that Brooks is heading for that last roundup, and other killers head his way to gain fame by taking him down. Also like Tate, Brooks would rather go out in a gunfight than through the inevitable cancer that was attacking him.
There is a gunbattle at the end, but I won't reveal the scene because some of you may want to see it. Cool flick.
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Post by lin212 on Mar 24, 2009 20:12:31 GMT -5
I bet she also found a new way to work. She woke up at 7 am. Later on, David says they have a client coming in at 11:30, twenty minutes hence. Maddie said she was in the office for ten minutes, meaning she got TO work at 11 o’clock! She either takes really long showers or that was one hell of a traffic jam. (This comment coming from someone whose twenty five minute commute home today took an hour and forty-five because several cars attempted to occupy the same space at the same time, completely blocking Interstate 83. Grrrr.) LOL, gray. Btw, I'm glad that I stay south of I-83!! It can be a bear.
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