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Post by beesnbears on Mar 18, 2009 16:18:13 GMT -5
Q9: How do you feel about David’s “experiment” with the female Wobblies? Do you think this is “very David,” or not? LOL!!! VERY David!! Sure looks like he is a damn good kisser to me!! .....you ladies out there......you KNOW you were wishin' you were Ms. Lamont!!! ;D
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Post by beesnbears on Mar 18, 2009 16:23:38 GMT -5
Q7: What do you think is the tone of David and Maddie’s conversation in the mall? Are we being led to believe that there’s a chance they’ll get back together?I kind of liked it. It was a relaxed discussion that touched on many facets of their relationship, without being harsh or hurtful. I think this may have been the longest, most mature conversation they had in the entire series. Maybe it didn’t make for great TV, and if you tuned in to see the no holds barred banter back and forth you came out wanting, but if you want to see a scene that you have to play and replay tons of times to get the meaning….this is it partner. I think there was always a chance at a reconciliation, until LE crushed it. You said it best, I think Gray!! It takes a couple of viewings to really get what they are taling about here.
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Post by jpen on Mar 18, 2009 16:51:53 GMT -5
Q9: How do you feel about David’s “experiment” with the female Wobblies? Do you think this is “very David,” or not? LOL!!! VERY David!! Sure looks like he is a damn good kisser to me!! .....you ladies out there......you KNOW you were wishin' you were Ms. Lamont!!! ;D This is so interesting to me--everybody so far finds this scene funny and very David. I don't know why, but this scene makes me squirm a little (and not in a good way). Maybe it's just that the sight of David kissing anybody besides Maddie makes me nauseous. Or maybe it's just that I entered the workforce in the post-Clarence Thomas era, when men and women had to be so much more careful what they said and did in the workplace... It's not that I think David is sexually harassing anybody (the women are clearly very willing)...I just feel like it crosses the line somehow, even for a guy who plays strip poker and makes 976 calls from the office. My response when I watch this scene is kinda "Ewww." Or maybe I'm just too darn jealous of Ms. Lamont!
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Post by jpen on Mar 18, 2009 17:28:00 GMT -5
Q4: What, if any, significance do you find in Betty Russell’s heart attack/epiphany? (And Colleen Dewhurst just rocks, doesn’t she?) Okay, I am probably way over thinking this one...LOL!! .... but, this episode has really made me sad about the whole end of the show and this question made me realize why. It is about broken relationships and matters of the heart. Sometimes broken hearts can be repaired quickly, other times it may take time to mend. Ms. Russell's heart attack is a huge ol' symbol!! Her heart was broken and repaired and then she had a vision that she should listen to heart more and do good by her client and help mend her relationship with her husband. From her view of things after the court hearing, a broken heart is harder to mend than she thought. And we are left to believe, by Maddie and David's conversations in this episode, that the mending of their broken hearts may take more time and more work as well. Bees, I don't think you're overthinking! I completely agree, and I also wonder if Betty Russell is meant to be a sort of warning to Maddie...a representation of someone who has been successful in their career, but ultimately finds that her success is "not much of a legacy." This also connects with Maddie and David's conversation at the beginning of the episode, when David says he wants to "take a headful of memories to the grave"--here they are talking about being financially secure, rather than successful, but the outcome is the same, I think.
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Post by beesnbears on Mar 18, 2009 17:33:12 GMT -5
I believe Betty Russell's epiphany was an indication of how short life is and what really matters at the end of the day. The rhyme and reason, the drive for success; what does it all matter when you're gone? The only thing she could concentrate on was the love she didn't have...children...although a great career legacy; she had no intimate one. The writers could have used that more for Maddie and David to receive an epiphany about the importance of love and how it overcomes all. David's sour attitude displays a bitter man who may be forced to deal with his own failed relationships. The why's, the lies...he doesn't want to constantly think of his pattern, especially with Maddie; he's still hurting. Wow since!! I never thought to turn Betty Russell's life into a reflection of what Maddie is missing in her life. Good one!! Love can conquer all for Maddie and David!!! And I agree with what you are saying about David's attitude about this case. Definitely still hurting and so is Maddie!
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Post by beesnbears on Mar 18, 2009 17:38:19 GMT -5
Q8: “Well, I would’ve given you one if you’d given me one.” ;D Discuss. This is so typical of the D and M dynamic. Who is going to say "love" first? Does she love him more than he loves her - or vice versa? And on and on it goes. Great line. Can't say it any better~~
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Post by beesnbears on Mar 18, 2009 17:42:49 GMT -5
Q4: What, if any, significance do you find in Betty Russell’s heart attack/epiphany? (And Colleen Dewhurst just rocks, doesn’t she?) Okay, I am probably way over thinking this one...LOL!! .... but, this episode has really made me sad about the whole end of the show and this question made me realize why. It is about broken relationships and matters of the heart. Sometimes broken hearts can be repaired quickly, other times it may take time to mend. Ms. Russell's heart attack is a huge ol' symbol!! Her heart was broken and repaired and then she had a vision that she should listen to heart more and do good by her client and help mend her relationship with her husband. From her view of things after the court hearing, a broken heart is harder to mend than she thought. And we are left to believe, by Maddie and David's conversations in this episode, that the mending of their broken hearts may take more time and more work as well. Bees, I don't think you're overthinking! I completely agree, and I also wonder if Betty Russell is meant to be a sort of warning to Maddie...a representation of someone who has been successful in their career, but ultimately finds that her success is "not much of a legacy." This also connects with Maddie and David's conversation at the beginning of the episode, when David says he wants to "take a headful of memories to the grave"--here they are talking about being financially secure, rather than successful, but the outcome is the same, I think. I see what you are saying and I am not making light of it, but I always thought David says "head full of mammories"!! ;D
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Post by beesnbears on Mar 18, 2009 17:45:25 GMT -5
Did any of you folks happen to see this on its original run? They had a neat pre-titles sequence where D&M were discussing ways to get more viewers to turn in. Maddie wanted socially revealing programming. Dave wanted nudity. To settle the dispute, they contracted with the Viola Institute of Advanced Shenanigans that developed a reverse polarity machine that could rate viewers reactions to each proposal. With Maddie's PBS type option, there was polite applause. To David's suggestion of hooters galore, well, the meter was pegged. Maddie would not cooperate, however, and Dave had the wobblies come in and begin a strip tease when they faded to the titles sequence. I remember reading about this somewhere and vaguely remember the original airing. I will confess that I quit taping the shows around this point back then because the whole thing was driving me nuts!!! I would love to see that again!!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Mar 18, 2009 17:45:27 GMT -5
Q4: What, if any, significance do you find in Betty Russell’s heart attack/epiphany? (And Colleen Dewhurst just rocks, doesn’t she?) Okay, I am probably way over thinking this one...LOL!! .... but, this episode has really made me sad about the whole end of the show and this question made me realize why. It is about broken relationships and matters of the heart. Sometimes broken hearts can be repaired quickly, other times it may take time to mend. Ms. Russell's heart attack is a huge ol' symbol!! Her heart was broken and repaired and then she had a vision that she should listen to heart more and do good by her client and help mend her relationship with her husband. From her view of things after the court hearing, a broken heart is harder to mend than she thought. And we are left to believe, by Maddie and David's conversations in this episode, that the mending of their broken hearts may take more time and more work as well. Yes Bees, this is a great answer!
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Post by jpen on Mar 18, 2009 17:47:58 GMT -5
I believe Betty Russell's epiphany was an indication of how short life is and what really matters at the end of the day. The rhyme and reason, the drive for success; what does it all matter when you're gone? The only thing she could concentrate on was the love she didn't have...children...although a great career legacy; she had no intimate one. The writers could have used that more for Maddie and David to receive an epiphany about the importance of love and how it overcomes all. So sorry since, I must have missed this post somehow...I didn't mean to "copy" you! And yes, I totally agree that the writers could've done more, both in this ep and the next one ("I See England"), to make a connection for our favorite duo!!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Mar 18, 2009 17:48:34 GMT -5
Q6: As they watch Nathan and Jolene in the restaurant, Maddie and David dissect the other couple’s body language. How do you think their comments connect to the current state of their relationship? This is another moment that makes me sad....I am glad they are at least talking, but they are beating around the bush about themselves!!And Billy Joel's song. "Just the Way You Are" is playing in the background!!! That was very clever!! Because the discussion does become about "the way they are"!! And WE know they love each other just the way they are! But their conversation does lend to some clues as to how they are feeling about their own relationship to this point. When Maddie asks him if he is seeing anyone he says, “dating is a lot like war. Mostly waiting”. Hmmmm.......he is the prince of waiting, is he not?!? Maddie:”At least we have a nice place to wait” David:”We’ve waited in worse”. Yeah, he waited in misery for 4 1/2 months. Maddie”What’s up with you lately” David:”The usual” Maddie:” no, I mean your life outside the office” David:”I have no life outside the office” ……uh, didn’t he come in late for work that morning looking like he drank the night before away? Or is he really saying that he wants his life to be MAddie and Blue Moon. It is all he really wanted for about 5 years now. David:”Nothing like a few phony baloney manners to get girls doing back flips for you." Maddie:”I think it is romantic” Maddie:”David you’ve pulled plenty of chairs out for me." David: "See it works like a charm." .....now it seems David is working really hard to hide his true feelings. He did all of those little things for Maddie for a reason. He just does not want her to see it that way right now. David:"Their not talking. " Maddie:"They have nothing in common. " David: "Just because they're not screaming at each other like most tv couples." This was really funny! And if the viewer had not picked up on the fact that this little lunch conversation was more about them than who they were spying on, it was revealed right here! Wow Bees, another fab-O break down with quotes included, you are good! It was all about them, it always comes back to M & D
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Post by jpen on Mar 18, 2009 17:49:07 GMT -5
...I always thought David says "head full of mammories"!! ;D LOL, bees--that would be SO David!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Mar 18, 2009 17:51:10 GMT -5
Q9: How do you feel about David’s “experiment” with the female Wobblies? Do you think this is “very David,” or not? LOL!!! VERY David!! Sure looks like he is a damn good kisser to me!! .....you ladies out there......you KNOW you were wishin' you were Ms. Lamont!!! ;D Or maybe I'm just too darn jealous of Ms. Lamont! I know I could have been Ms. Lamont, lol~wooooooo
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Post by sinceifell4u on Mar 18, 2009 17:54:00 GMT -5
Q4: What, if any, significance do you find in Betty Russell’s heart attack/epiphany? (And Colleen Dewhurst just rocks, doesn’t she?) Okay, I am probably way over thinking this one...LOL!! .... but, this episode has really made me sad about the whole end of the show and this question made me realize why. It is about broken relationships and matters of the heart. Sometimes broken hearts can be repaired quickly, other times it may take time to mend. Ms. Russell's heart attack is a huge ol' symbol!! Her heart was broken and repaired and then she had a vision that she should listen to heart more and do good by her client and help mend her relationship with her husband. From her view of things after the court hearing, a broken heart is harder to mend than she thought. And we are left to believe, by Maddie and David's conversations in this episode, that the mending of their broken hearts may take more time and more work as well. Bees, I don't think you're overthinking! I completely agree, and I also wonder if Betty Russell is meant to be a sort of warning to Maddie...a representation of someone who has been successful in their career, but ultimately finds that her success is "not much of a legacy." This also connects with Maddie and David's conversation at the beginning of the episode, when David says he wants to "take a headful of memories to the grave"--here they are talking about being financially secure, rather than successful, but the outcome is the same, I think. JPen, absolutely, I can see this as a warning to Maddie~the writers for his episode had great ideas to work with and some how "missed the mark"...this could have been great dialogues and banter for M & D.
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Post by beesnbears on Mar 18, 2009 17:54:02 GMT -5
But yes Maddie does beam ,like she is so proud of what she did for David but David is like :this is a joke right? I also wished he would have kissed her cheek , that would have seemed sweeter don't ya think? rose
I agree with the kiss placement, rose!! It makes me cringe and makes me really sad because it just seems so over with them. But, I always thought he kisses her on the forehead because of their lunch conversation. She did ask him if he was dating other people, like she was looking to do the same. Shoot!! The kiss should have at the least been a peck on the lips, don't you think??!!
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