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Post by rose35 on Mar 10, 2009 19:43:15 GMT -5
I am going to digress a little from the questions.......Lord knows we NEVER hijack these threads....hahaha! Jen's great follow-up story last week reminded me of an exercise a bunch of us did way back years ago. We did "Alphabet Moonlighting" -- we chose a letter of the alphabet and a word, and wrote a one or two page vignette. Cut to the chase....one of those I wrote years ago is what I called a "missing scene" in "The Flesh Was Made Word". Just in case anybody wants to take a look, I posted it on Fanfiction.net. And please be gentle -- it was written about 7 or 8 years ago. It's called "Deny" www.fanfiction.net/s/4915448/1/DenyAnd it ain't just a river in Egypt...this is very David (shows that sometimes he too can play the Avoidance Game! --and answers my question as to when in the heck he had time to buy all that stuff! ;D BTW, are there more of these somewhere? They'd be fun to read... WOW DIANE! I SQUEEEEED with joy to see you were sharing a story with us! It was fabulous! So true to David also! Thank you for sharing something so old for you but so new to us! AND i 2nd SINCE........ Please feel free to share any other OLD pieces of ML F/F you got hanging around LOL Or hmmmm even perhaps write something new? HEHEHE
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Post by sinceifell4u on Mar 10, 2009 19:44:19 GMT -5
I cannot imagine what Dennis Dugan's life was like while these episodes were airing -- think he had to go into hiding? I know that the letters, telegrams, telephone calls to ABC were completely out of control during this time. So for Dennis, as well as for Walter, it was surely an appropriate way to end the relationship with the viewers. Yeah, I never thought about that...fans can be something else. Reminds me of the guy who caught the ball that would have sent he Cubs to the NL finals, maybe even the WS. Dude's life was mud, Dugan's life was probably mud too.
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Post by lin212 on Mar 10, 2009 19:45:03 GMT -5
4:David tries to remain distant and aloof from Maddie, and while his slate may not be entirely clean, he finally reveals to Maddie what he is thinking in his little speech in her office. Are his feelings more revealing to Maddie or to himself? 7). Do you think Maddie fully realizes how badly she hurt David? I think that these two questions are related. When Maddie confronts David, I don't think she has any idea what feelings her questions will unleash. David becomes defensive when Maddie questions his commitment to her, as he should. Actually, it is a testament to David's love that he even considers trying to make a go of it. I think David's speech opened Maddie's eyes to the depth of his pain as well as the depth of his love. The look on Maddie's face is telling. I think she realized how much she had underestimated him.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Mar 10, 2009 19:46:41 GMT -5
6. The title: Well, as you're probably all aware, the title puns on the following verse from the Bible: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth."–John 1:14 This verse refers to the coming of Jesus Christ. God makes a promise to his people that a savior will be born, and thus the Word (promise/prophecy) is made flesh. The ML writers turn this around...John Wicklow takes a flesh-and-blood woman (Mary...hmmm) and turns her into words in his journal. And she interprets his words as a promise to love and care for her--he becomes her "savior" when he takes the rap for killing her husband. Very clever. But, as usual, I think there's more going on here, having to do with promises that have been made, unmade, and not made. Conventionally, two people meet, fall in love, promise to "have and hold" each other, and then have children, whom they promise to care for. Well, David and Maddie met, fell in love....and then all H-E-double-toothpicks breaks out, and the promises they should have made to each other are instead, made to other people (David never makes a specific promise to Terri, but the potential is there). Now they are at a crossroads--all the tangled skeins have been unwound, and they have a second chance. Whether or not they're both still willing is in question. However, I think the last scene leads us to believe that there is the promise of a future for them (and I hope I'm not getting blasphemous here)...a promise represented by the (writers') Word made flesh, in the person of little Baby Hayes. Which is why I find AWWAV so upsetting...but that's a conversation for another time. Geez, jpen, that was awesome! I did not know the exact origin of the title of the EP. You always have great analysis that makes me think of the subtext in a more reveletory way. I am SO gonna use this phrase all week: "all the tangled skeins" - Love it! I know right, that was soooo hot!
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Post by sinceifell4u on Mar 10, 2009 19:52:14 GMT -5
4:David tries to remain distant and aloof from Maddie, and while his slate may not be entirely clean, he finally reveals to Maddie what he is thinking in his little speech in her office. Are his feelings more revealing to Maddie or to himself? 7). Do you think Maddie fully realizes how badly she hurt David? I think that these two questions are related. When Maddie confronts David, I don't think she has any idea what feelings her questions will unleash. David becomes defensive when Maddie questions his commitment to her, as he should. Actually, it is a testament to David's love that he even considers trying to make a go of it. I think David's speech opened Maddie's eyes to the depth of his pain as well as the depth of his love. The look on Maddie's face is telling. I think she realized how much she had underestimated him. I gotta say this...the writers put Maddie in such a horrific light...she may have been a lot of things but her love for David is fiercely evident...then just drops off. It doesn't make any sense, that had to be hard for Cybill to play...it just isn't true to the character. Ups and downs are one thing...blatant disregard for David's feelings is another.
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 10, 2009 19:58:46 GMT -5
1: In the beginning of this episode we find out Maddie/Walter have annulled their 2 week marriage . What do you think of Walter's breaking the 3rd wall ( or is it 4th wall LOL) and talking to the audience about them being happy he is leaving while he exits the Blue Moon Office ?
I thought it was inspired. Where D&M routinely broke the wall (this episode probably set some sort of record for the number of occurrences), this is the first time I recall a guest doing so. Plus the way he talked directly to US, acknowledging that we, the fans, were fed up with the Walter storyline and that the producers even had to finally act…was perfect.
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 10, 2009 20:04:17 GMT -5
Wow! Reading your earlier posts proves once again that I am a mere amateur in the company of professionals. Great thoughts folks.
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 10, 2009 20:08:58 GMT -5
Skipping around a bit here, hope you don't feel offended:
5:Where David says his slate is clean to Maddie during that big speech, lets all think back to an episode titled Tale In Two Cities. David slept with someone he just met at a bar/club during that episode, Do you think David's slate is really clean? Do you feel he lied when he said that or was he just forgetting it happened or were the writers forgetting that it happened ? Does that line bother you since we the audience know what he did and Maddie doesnt?
Good question, but I don’t think Dave ever linked his one night fireworks display with their relationship, where on the other hand her leaving for Chicago had EVERYTHING to do with it. Dave doesn’t mention Sam at all, or hold that against Maddie, and that little indiscretion was right in Dave’s face…not a fling when it was obvious that Maddie (at least at that point) didn’t want any part of the Addison charm.
His slate was clean in my opinion.
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 10, 2009 20:16:02 GMT -5
7). Do you think Maddie fully realizes how badly she hurt David?
Boy, ya know at this point I don’t think so. Her cavalier attitude after dumping Walter and what I saw as an attempt to “pick up” David was rather unsettling. Even the look on her face after David “let her have it” was somewhat less than what I expected. I mean he blasted her with what we were ALL thinking, and we were left with a rather blank stare. One of the few instances of bad editing in the series.
I think she showed more emotion in the hospital after the botched wedding.
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Post by lin212 on Mar 10, 2009 20:18:02 GMT -5
3: As we listen in on their thoughts in the car we hear David and Maddie think, “Things are different now, but they’re still the same.” Does this revelation mean the same thing to Maddie and David? I feel yes because it was the same scenario but they played different roles; reversed roles. Maddie pushing for David to see things her way and commit; David reluctant and resisting. Agree with since on this one. The situation is the same, but the roles are reversed. Why can't these two push (or pull) in the same direction!
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 10, 2009 20:20:03 GMT -5
11: This episode ends with the audience feeling very hopeful for M/D and their relationship. They are planning Lamaze classes and look very happy. We know Season 5 should have continued this way but unfortunately it doesn’t. Do you wish they never ended this episode that way?
Oh no, the fact that they totally BLEW this thread of hope, this ray of promise does not make me want to wish it ended any other way. Some lucky folks out there will stop watching the series after this episode, and save themselves the pain and anguish of Season Five.
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Post by sinceifell4u on Mar 10, 2009 20:24:54 GMT -5
Gray your avatar is fantastic! LOL, so funny man!
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Post by diane on Mar 10, 2009 20:25:02 GMT -5
2: Maddie chases David down the hall and asks, “Why don’t you talk to me about all of those things you don’t want to talk about?” Put yourself in David’s shoes and answer Maddie’s question.
This is a fanfic crying out to be written......
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Post by lin212 on Mar 10, 2009 20:26:45 GMT -5
11: This episode ends with the audience feeling very hopeful for M/D and their relationship. They are planning lamaze classes and look very happy. We know Season 5 should have continued this way but unfortunately it doesnt. Do you wish they never ended this episode that way? I have to say that I like the way this episode ended. After a season of torment, we needed that hope. I often wonder what would have happened if this had been a full season, if it had gone until May instead of being cut off in March. Would we have had the opportunity to see a happy Maddie and David planning for their future with the corporate offspring? Sigh....
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Post by graycav56 on Mar 10, 2009 20:27:23 GMT -5
I think David's speech opened Maddie's eyes to the depth of his pain as well as the depth of his love. The look on Maddie's face is telling. I think she realized how much she had underestimated him. Boy Lin, you can see by my earlier post that you and I are at 180 degrees opposite on this. I took another look at that scene before typing this, and sorry, but I haven't changed my mind. I expected more emotion out of Maddie.....something more on the line of Alexander in the airplane....but all I got was a half hearted sigh.
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