5 Is David’s reaction to Maddie’s news anger or disappointment?
OH BOTH! He's angry big time and we know David gets angry big time, but the anger is probably due to his disapointment that Maddie would do this to their business and also to do this without consulting him first to discuss it. He considers the agency theirs i believe, even though maddie owns it, he was there first. He doesnt consider himself really below Maddie, he is a boss to the wobblies too, so David feels he should be treated as an equal to Maddie. Granted we know it takes a LONG time for David to become full partners with Maddie. He should have been full partners way before S&S that dont ya think? And well David is feeling deep down more than just friends with Maddie too. So it's alot of differant emotions for sure from DAvid.
Guess what? I am reading "Atlas Shrugged"!! Only through the first chapter, though!
1. How does Phil West fit into this description? How does David? Or how about Maddie? I see Phil as one who would want to do more than shrug. I think he tries to shrug, shake and throw his world away once he realizes the predicament he is facing. Especially when he realizes he might make some money by ransoming off the Rolodex. Isn't that what Objectivism is? Making sure oneself is taken care of before others?
I see David as the Atlas that would continue to hold the heavy burdens of his world and shrugging would not be an option for him. No way he is doing any shrugging or belching when it comes to Blue Moon and Maddie! Always the optimist, never gives up, no matter how bad the situation.
I see Maddie as definitely one who would want to shrug her problems away. It just seems easier to her. Why not sell the agency when she can get her money back from her financial investment. Only, she was not taking into account her emotional investment! Like another question eludes, she was snowed by LaSalle into thinking everyone would still be in the office and she would not have to worry about a thing. It hits her first when she walks into David's office and he is packing all of his toys!! (love it when he starts going through his desk....cracks me up!!)
2. Why in the ML version does Atlas “Belch”? I think jpen said it best!! If David were to shrug, it would probably be more of a belch and Maddie would simply shrug! Maddie says "I don't know" a lot through the entire series. When you say "I don't know" , what do your shoulders do?!?
3. Was Maddie really under the illusion that David would accept her news well, or was her breakfast attempt designed to snow him…a flirtation? Or was she snowing herself?
I think MAddie was snowed by LaSalle and she was snowing herself. I believe she thought with him owning the agency she, David and all of the other wobblies could simply work for him. She did not bargain for the changes! Like gray said, she realized she actually could be a detective......David knew it all along! Now, with LaSalle in the picture, she had no place to sit, Dipesto was replaced, and David left. Blue Moon was a part of her more than she realized....where did it go?!
5 Is David’s reaction to Maddie’s news anger or disappointment?
This bit of news seems to hit him out of nowhere. He is both angry and disappointed, but really more just plain hurt. Like he says, he hates it! It does speak volumes on where he is at as far as how he feels about Maddie. He can admit his feelings partially to himself, but no way he is going to admit it to Maddie at this point!
6. What do you think of the “buddy” images sprinkled throughout the episode? Do you think this episode might have spurred the decision to get David a sidekick in season 3……aka Herbert?
Never thought of this before, but it could be possible. In this episode I think it is just another way to show another side of David....perserverance springs to mind. He is determined to show Maddie what a good detective he can be when he wants to be....especially when it might mean losing her. Phil is there to say what Maddie is slow to realize......not an exact quote here but he says something like "you are a great detector, Mr. Addison". And Phil thrives on David's optimism....once he finally gets out of the car at the land fill!!
7. How would you describe Maddie and David’s relationship as we begin this episode (from each one’s point of view)? Is there a change by the end?
David knows he has feelings for Maddie beyond the physical. He wants to prove to her....again....that they can run a successful business, but he also wants to eventually move their relationship into other territory. He's just not sure how or when. What I see though is his desire for her to be happy. We are shown glimpses of this in earlier episodes as well. What question does he ask her after she tells him she sold the agency? "Are you happy?"
Maddie, on the other hand, is smart enough to know that there is something more to them than "just business". She just is not ready to let that in her heart yet. She does learn....again...that David and Blue Moon are important to her and more than just for financial reasons.
When I watched this again, that scene reminded me of the pilot dance scene in the bar. Maddie asking David, "Do you really think I'm cold?" "You would tell me, wouldn't you, if you thought I was cold?"
I like to compare the two scenes because they really do show Maddie's heart. She is already fighting some unknown feeling or thing in the pilot. It shows when she asks the question and then leaves. And speaking of Patsy Cline.....we hear her in the beginning of that scene singing "Crazy"!! On the stairs, we see Maddie offering up a little piece of her heart that just absolutely lights his face!
And we see all of this because of Cybill and Bruce......played perfectly!!! sigh............
I am not a big country fan, but is Patsy Cline's "Leavin' on Your Mind" not perfect?
Love the ML attention to details!
I have always tried to pay attention to the music choices, but I will admit, it took a couple of viewings to catch this one!! Very clever using "Leavin'..." Everyone indeed has leavin' on their minds!!
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I always laugh a lot when David called the president and the Pop! Bruce's acting is really great!
7. How would you describe Maddie and Davidfs relationship as we begin this episode (from each onefs point of view)? Is there a change by the end?
Maddie wants to sell the agency before it wears off and get lots of money. She thinks and tells David that neither of them is a good detective and business man, and that her decision is not personal, just business. I feel she still doesnft fully respect him and she has no idea how it would affect to David and the staff she works with and that as a result he would leave Blue Moon. However, Maddie misses working with David while she is talking of the hilarious banter in TNMYH to Lou on the way back to the office. When she gets to know the terrible outcome of her decision, I think she deeply regrets what shefs done. And she realizes that David is right and how she has been supported by him and appreciates it. She is beaming when she says she wants to work for him and looks really happy to hear he hires her. I believe they are her honest feelings for him.
David is shocked and hurt by her statement. He wants her to know how good, strong and determined it is that he is there for her and the agency. He, of course, has personal feelings for her. He also knows what would come to Blue Moon after the disposal. So he tries hard to persuade her not to sell the agency and to prove his ability as a detective to her. But when he hears that the agency was sold, I think he feels the distance between them. He soon leaves and starts another challenge. When it fails, he comes back to Maddie, I think she is the only motivation for him to work hard. At the end of this episode, I think, he is just happy only to see she looks happy to be with him.
8. Letfs just slobber over the scene on the stairs, shall we?
I just love this episode; especially the scene is one of the tenderest moments in the whole series. I like Maddie shows her sympathy when she hears Davidfs failure and softly admits her mistake. The way she offers her help is really sweet, it reveals she is smart positively trying to make up him for her mistake. And I love Davidfs smiles that look really happy. But what mostly I love is the way they look at each other. They donft touch each other or say something significant for their relationship, but how much they exchange their feelings between them with talking nothing. To me this is one of the wonderful moments looking like as if their souls seem connecting.
5. Anger or disappointment? Yep, both. Agree that David is crushed that Maddie would make a "business" decision that affects their "personal" relationship so profoundly without consulting him; it's yet another reminder (as if he needs one!) that Maddie views him as a subordinate, not an equal. [Small tangent: When she says, "You're taking this personally, David! It's not personal, it's business!", it makes me think of THH: "Great, now I've hurt you...well, I didn't mean to!" Maddie, Maddie, Maddie...let's head on over to Personal Relationships 101: How Our Behavior Affects Other People! ]
Also, I think that David may feel threatened by the possibility of the new Lou Moon. Even if he was to stay on, he and Maddie wouldn't be "the Two Musketeers, Ham & Legs" any longer. Lou might usurp David's role as confidant, as cheerleader (though there might not be any need for cheerleading, with Lou's "bigshot" clientele), as partner...and, knowing Maddie's prediliction for rich, successful men, perhaps more.
This, I think, becomes more clear in the scene when David comes to her house after finding the Rolodex. He jives in, ready to swing his favorite blonde around the room, wanting to share his triumph with her, hoping she'll realize that they DO have a shot at success (sometimes David can be delusional too ...only to get an empty smile ("That's nice") and a punch in the gut. He doesn't argue, doesn't yell this time--he just shuts down and walks out the door with as much dignity as he can (shades of IACM: "Sure looks like it").
And Maddie? She's trying so hard to convince herself that she's done the right thing that she has to repeat it over and over: "I took the deal, David. It was a wonderful deal, and I took it. I sold the agency. The agency is sold." But she knows she's hurt him, she knows he feels betrayed...she can't even look at him. Ouch!
8. The Scene on the Stairs: Well, let me add my sighs to everyone else's, and throw in a "wow" for good measure. Love the looking at each other ("Oh, David..."), love the almost--but not quite--touching, and especially, love the twin dialogue. Finally, these two are (albeit briefly) on the same page, opening up to each other, admitting they were wrong. Just terrific.
And Maddie...she tries so hard to hide it sometimes, but she really has a huge heart. And a thousand-watt smile.
Another comment on the scene on the stairs or actually after they have gotten up from the stairs - Maddie asking David to hire her and then her response to David when he asks why she would do that. Maddie goes into that little speech quoting David from the earlier office scene..."because I see what you can't..." As I think about it, it is pretty rare for Maddie to be such a cheerleader for David. Most of the time she is pointing out his shortcomings. I am trying real hard to remember any other time in the series when she is so supportive of him and expresses confidence in his ablilties. Very sweet.
I agree Lin. Maddie is usually bringing out his faults, sometimes teasing, sometimes not. But, another time she is sincere is in "Sleep Talking Guy". Remember the dark office scene where she was telling him how much respect she had for his detective skills? Of course, David was cheating, but I don't care!! We know WHY he was cheating!! ;D