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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Oct 27, 2013 10:04:07 GMT -5
I agree Snap - this episode is such a clever one. I posted on it a while back but repeat my sentiments about the DS: It reflected what was going on in her head so well, better than she could ever put into words. I too have read back through this thread and there are some fantastic ideas/analysis and it makes me want to re-watch. Clever. Beautiful. Ambiguous.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on May 6, 2021 18:47:51 GMT -5
Hi! I'm new here and just finished re-watching this episode after many years. I love reading everyone's insight into what happened, but I still can't figure out why she would marry a complete stranger that she doesn't really love. I remember being angry about that the first time I watched it when I was young and I'm confused about it now. Mainly I'm wondering why it was written into the story? It just made no sense. I know they maybe needed something to keep David and Maddie apart and creation drama and tension, but I think they could have come up with something better than this. It was so completely out of character for Maddie and as someone pointed out it, made Walter look bad (even though he seemed like a nice man at first) to propose to a woman who obviously was in no position to make a decision like that at that time.
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Post by marta on May 6, 2021 21:28:54 GMT -5
Hi Judy
It’s Marta here, with good news and bad news, a short answer and a longer answer.
The short answer to your question about Walter is – M married Walter because GGC said so.
The longer answer is in Ramblings.
I know it is very hard to join an established group. However, perhaps you could try?
If you look up from your post here you can see the date on the post before yours (2013, isn’t it). This tells you what we have tried to tell you before in the New to the board/Member talk. We do not hang out here anymore.
All discussions are held in one place because there are only very few of us and topics are wide ranging. It is more convenient to discuss ML in one place. We do not discuss ML episode by episode. If you wish to explore a particular issue, you can use the Search facility. I just checked how it would work with Walter Bishop and it will give you a solid result (put Walter Bishop in ‘with at least one of the words’ and Ramblings in ‘where the thread title contains’, then press Search).
The point is that we have discussed Walter quite recently and it would be good if you could see what we have already said. This is not because we have said anything particularly worth knowing about, but because we said whatever we said in the last 3 months or so. You will not get a response you may wish for if you try to engage us on the same topic so soon after our discussions, simply in another place. I am sure somebody will respond to you under episodes just to be polite but it will not be the same robust response that you may get if you engage with us in Ramblings.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on May 6, 2021 21:49:36 GMT -5
Hi Marta, Thanks for letting me know that nobody really posts in the individual episode posts anymore. I didn't realize everything was in Ramblings. I'll try to find the information by doing a search. Wish I had found this site years ago when it was much more active. But, oh well!
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Post by Boink on May 7, 2021 9:33:33 GMT -5
Hi Marta, Thanks for letting me know that nobody really posts in the individual episode posts anymore. I didn't realize everything was in Ramblings. I'll try to find the information by doing a search. Wish I had found this site years ago when it was much more active. But, oh well! Judy, ON POSTING: While I agree that "Ramblings" and searching are good places to start and find conversations about topics not relating to a single episode, I disagree with Marta's idea (go figure) that you should refrain from posting under individual episodes when your question or comment pertains to that episode. The "Ramblings" topic is a wonderful place for spawning general conversation, and it has done wonders for this board (Thank you, Sandra!), but it has really become bloated and all over the place. If I was an admin on this board, I would go back to it after the fact and separate it logically into as many topics as can be reasonably detangled and achieved based on unique subjects discussed. With that not currently happening, introducing new non-episode-specific topics under "Member Talk" (such as billis' recent "Structure of the episodes" conversation) can also help to keep things organized. All that aside, though, I (and probably others) just keep an eye on the " Recent Posts" page. We will see whatever you post, wherever you post it, and we will respond accordingly. Feel free and welcome to post wherever makes sense to you. We are just happy you're posting. ON MADDIE MARRYING WALTER: Marta will write volumes trying to justify this absurd, out-of-character contrivance while at the same time saying GGC was wrong to have David announce to the staff that he was in love with Maddie. I believe the opposite (it's sort of a running theme between Marta and me), but if we consider only what happens on screen to be the totality of Moonlighting reality, I would say that Maddie married Walter as part of her ongoing self-described (in ATTTM) "small nervous breakdown", and from David's perspective (in TOMT), because she is "undeniably, certifiably, categorically, documents on the wall and everything... nuts." Both characters are probably right.Cheers, Boink
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on May 7, 2021 11:22:06 GMT -5
Thanks Boink! The Ramblings section is overwhelming, that's why I thought posting here would be easier. And since I had just finished watching that episode, I felt the need to discuss it a little. It really bothers me what they did to Maddie. I was actually wondering if anyone knows why GGC decided to go with this storyline? Maybe he mentioned it in an interview or commentary? I plan to watch the commentaries of all the episodes after I finish the whole series.
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Post by Boink on May 7, 2021 12:41:53 GMT -5
I think GGC and friends literally did not know how to handle David and Maddie beyond "will they or won't they" (first in terms of sleeping together, then in terms of finding happiness together). Walter Bishop helped to prolong the uncertainty for a couple more episodes.
When defending the Maddie-Walter marriage (which ticked off a lot of fans), GGC commented about what a great episode it led to in MHGM. I can see that in a way. David Addison throwing a huge church wedding to call her bluff is a great idea in and of itself, but like much of season 4, the framework just flies in the face of everything seasons 1-3 taught us about Maddie.
Cybill Shepherd has commented that she thinks GGC regarded her real-life pregnancy as a personal attack on the show he created and sabotaged her character in season 4 as payback. Take that for whatever it's worth.
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Post by sandra on May 7, 2021 14:25:02 GMT -5
Hi Judy,
I completely understand being excited about finding this board and wanting to discuss your questions regarding the show straight away. I also get how the Ramblings section is quite impressive with its' 500 + posts. It would probably take days to wade through and catch up. As the one who spawned that topic, I agree with Boink that it has swelled to unbelievable proportions and that probably takes away from the experience for newcomers. The long answer to your question is in Ramblings, yes, and I'm sure that you will read those posts when you have the time. In the meantime, please feel free and welcome to post whatever and wherever you want. We are excited to see someone new contributing.
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Post by Marlena on May 7, 2021 16:28:02 GMT -5
Hi Judy...I totally agree with you (and Cybill). I always thought it was out of character for Maddie to marry Walter. Definitely not something she would've done. The character of Walter should have been no more than the nice, safe man that Maddie confided in on the train. We all know that Maddie thinks she should be with an NSM, but the reality is NSMs bore her. I get that she was concerned about facing David. But, I just think that we fans were cheated out of what would have been a very emotional reunion between those two.
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Post by marta on May 7, 2021 16:28:37 GMT -5
I am sorry, it was wrong of me to speak for the whole group. I apologise.
It did not occur to me that you guys may be willing to discuss Walter again so soon just because it is in a different thread. Obviously, I have learned to appreciate your stamina now.
At the beginning of April, Cwgirlup had less success in joining in under an episode thread. I’ve felt uneasy about it since and decided to try a different approach with Judy. Worked a treat, didn’t it?
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on May 7, 2021 21:19:33 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for responding to me. I don't mean to cause trouble! I know it might be boring to discuss the same issues over and over again. I figure I'll just post some thoughts on different threads (if that's ok) and if someone wants to respond that's great! But if no one does that's ok. I just enjoy being part of this group. I can't believe that I've become obsessed with this show again after 35 years! I heard about GGC possibly writing Walter into the show because he was mad at Cybill, or something like that. I think that's crazy and childish, but there's nothing anyone can do about it now. I just finished watching Eeek! A spouse! and I actually liked it! It gave me hope for their relationship and it was fun and actually had a case. I loved how Agnes said what I think most fans were feeling at the time. And David saying he wasn't going to give up trying was so sweet. Well, thanks for letting me part of this group!
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Post by notjuanjones on May 13, 2021 1:34:08 GMT -5
Hi, Judy:
I must apologize for helping to create what must seem to new posters to be an incomprehensible collection of, indeed, ramblings. At least part of that melange is attributable, I think, to our collective excitement at finding fellow ML lovers who are still so passionate about the show. But that doesn’t make it easier for newer posters, I fear. I do apologize for that. This board is for everyone to contribute, and anywhere they like. You post; we’ll find it!
I share your confusion with/disdain for TOMT. It was the nadir of the show, to me-much worse than the Annie arc. I know others disagree and find the AA reprehensible. As awful as Annie was (and as terribly as David acted toward Maddie as a result), that still wasn’t as bad as forcing Maddie to act in a way that was a 180 from everything she’d done and believed up to that point. Her actions were those of an unserious person. And if there’s one thing we know, or knew, about Maddie Hayes, it’s that she was a serious person.
The only saving grace was Walter Bishop was not written, nor was he performed by Dennis Dugan, as a caricature. At least the writers gave him some dimension and sinew that made him a decent, likeable person.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on May 13, 2021 14:47:32 GMT -5
Hi notjuanjones! It's ok! I am trying to post in the Ramblings section now. Seems most people are there. I didn't like the Walter story but I have a feeling I'll hate the Annie story even more. I'll be watching those episodes in a few days and I am dreading it.
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