Thanks to Jpen for the great clues and to everyone for the great discussion!!
First of all, I love-love D&M enjoying a happy time together in the casino scene, and think they are meant be a lucky girl and boy for each other. They really make a great team!
I think Maddie especially hates staying lost to Sawyer. At first she canft truly forgive him more than she cares about her money back, and then she also wants her money back. I mean she canft help her temper and thatfs when she becomes irrational, reckless. She always believes gright things to doh, but is still a babe in this episode, doesnft know how to manage that kind of cunning bad men, she is confident in her ability though, but too confident. I also canft imagine she is truly a thinker as she says in gTrip to the Moonh. Somehow she acts impulsively sometimes and makes mistakes. Itfs pretty good that she realizes David was right at the restaurant and is happy to see him following her to Buenos Aires.
David appears as a very dependable partner here. He is serious and calm in most of this episode, I think itfs because he well knows her and this kind of crime situation. And he genuinely cares about everything of her (feelings, money, happiness and future!). Besides he is smart enough that he persuades her to fold in the poker game at the point when she is still the winner at the Sawyerfs casino, IMHO.
I think Maddie is gorgeous in her attitude here, despite she stays lost, she doesnft forget to tell Sawyer how he did the bad things to her and show David her appreciation with the kiss, and then nobly leaves Sawyer forever. That is one of my favorite things of Maddie.
Maddie is so angry in the final scene; I guess she is sad because she missed that money and missed the chance she could show him a piece of her heartcbut Ifm glad to see she starts to consider David is the right guy for her.
hey Diane! i've been bisy too this week, i'm so glad halloween is over! LOL it was FUN though for my kids. And the dress reappears on AGNEs right? In North By North?
Ok well this episode is so great! Maddie definitely acts spontaneously wouldnt you say by running off so fast to Buenos Aires i think. David trying to reason with her, he acts very mature nd then flys down there cause he's worried about her cause he has fallen for her ya see Loved the chance to be far away from the office. Didnt miss the office people, they are still just background at this point. The almost kiss scene just gives me chills! LOL Script anyone? Was this the direction he was given to do? Lean in for a kiss and Maddie stop him and then he kisses her palm! To die for! There is no way possible David could have known about what cards Sawyer was holding, he of course didnt want to lose Maddie but he also didnt want Maddie to lose anymore of herself. Maddie right away thought the worst of David. Ahh such a good episode!
Post by italianbluemooner on Nov 24, 2008 19:43:44 GMT -5
Hello dear ML fans! Finally I found enough time to read your VERY SMART comments on this TERRIFIC episode! BTW, It is one of my favorites... ;D And jpen... Wow! Great questions!
I'd like to share my thoughts with you...
1. There are several “role reversal” scenes in this episode, where David acts as the rational, analytic counselor (“d’ you mind if I just talk some sense into you?!”) and Maddie, driven by emotion, acts impulsively. How do these scenes enhance our understanding of their characters? What do you think they reveal about David and Maddie’s priorities at this point in the show?
Yes, you're absolutely right, jpen. The whole episode is based on role reversal. Which, IMO, is an interesting writing choice, because it highlights an essential ingredient of David and Maddie's Chemistry: Balance. Whenever David gets wrecked, there Maddie is, stone-cold sober, willing and prepared to deal with new clients and keep the agency running... Most of the time, Maddie and her professional behavior make up for David's recklessness.
In this episode, well... Things are turned upside down! HALLELUJAH!! Maddie is passionate about something, at last! For the first time since The Pilot we're shown a completely different Maddie, an enraged woman filled with an overwhelming desire to take the law into her own hands. She puts rationality on hold... hence she steps into David's shoes... While David steps into hers ( Ouch! ) . Obviously, Maddie isn't satisfied with her new life as a PI... Otherwise she wouldn't have rushed to the airport! I can't blame her... After all, she was a rich ex-model, she was used to having someone cook for her, clean her house, etc. She didn't need to wake up every morning at 7 am, in fact she spent her mornings sleeping (see "Atlas Belched"), going shopping... But most important of all... Money was not a matter of concern to her... Now, everything has gone... And Maddie has to deal with people angry at her because she hasn't paid a bill... She has to face the eventuality that no client will step into her office tomorrow... She has to shop for the best bargains... Maddie, the Blue Moon Shampoo girl... Well, I believe this must be a nerve-wracking situation.
She does the only thing she can do: she fights the good fight. (Attagirl! ;D)
What's David's role in this predicament? He plays...The Cricket! Remember Carlo Collodi's "The Adventures of Pinocchio"? Well, for the ones who didn't happen to read them... The Cricket is Pinocchio's adviser. It's the voice of conscience. That's exactly what David is to Maddie in this episode. He remembers her what she has got, and how lucky she is in having them. David wants to protect her partner. He wants to keep Maddie away from a man who made her suffer. I think David's argumentations are completely selfless at this point in the show.
2. When they are arguing in the office, David sarcastically says to Maddie, "Things are tough all over, kid." Maddie shoots back, "Not ALL over, kid" and slams out the door; later, in the casino restaurant, she says sadly, "Things are tough all over." Are David and Maddie talking about the same "things" here?
I gave it a lot of thought. I think David referred to life in general: "Things are tough all over, kid"... Maybe it means life is not easy. Neither in L.A, nor in Buenos Aires, nor anywhere else. None of us can have everything we long for... That beautiful dress in the store window at the corner of the street, more money in the bank, a tanned reptile returning all the money that was rightfully yours... "Things are tough all over,kid"... We can't always get what we want.
3. What do you think is/are David's motivation(s) in the poker game, especially when he urges Maddie to fold?
David to the rescue!! ;D What a blinding vision: A beautiful prince charming in a white tux! My my my... I'll have to don my goggles... And wipe some drool off my chin... ;D
At the casino, David really wants to help Maddie get some of her money back. Gosh, they make such a wonderful couple! ;D Al Jarreau's "Murphy's Law" fits these scenes to perfection!
About the poker game: I believe David urges Maddie to fold because he wants her to understand her dignity is at stake. Not just her house, not just the BMW... but also something that really matters. David might be a lot of things: an irresponsible, a womanizer... But this man knows that dignity is what distinguishes fine, upright people from devious worms. Maddie must not play at Sawyer's own game: he's not even worthy of being in the same room with someone like Maddie!
I don't really think David had by-ends... OK, maybe a little! He wants her back, of course... But I believe David flew all the way to Buenos Aires because he truly cares for Maddie and her integrity.
4. What exactly makes Maddie so angry when she uncovers that fifth card? And what makes her so sad in the final scene, when she confesses to Agnes, "Just when I think that maybe, just maybe, I can show him a little piece of my heart...He knocks [me] down and steps on [my] aorta"?
Well, "Ace in the hole" Addison was supposed to win! He had to win! David was expected to know what hand Sawyer had... Maddie had great trust in him and in his ability. But he lost. The thought that Maddie could've won a hundred grand made her crazy!
About her confession to Agnes: Maybe Maddie thought David had lost on purpose, in order to have her back at the office... How can you show someone a little piece of your heart, if you believed he cheated you?
5. This is kind of a rhetorical question, but--what the HECK is going on with those elephantine polka dots on Maddie's evening dress?!
Has any of you ladies ever had a dress like that in the closet? Gee, I'M ENVIOUS!!!
I didn't live the 80s... I'm too young... But when I watch the scene where Maddie gets dressed and ready to "christen a battleship" (LOL ;D), I just stand there, speechless, then whisper: Wow. What a personality, Maddie! ;D WAY TO GO, girl! Now I understand my mom's stories about her youth!!! ENVIOUS, ENVIOUS, ENVIOUS!!!
Last Edit: Nov 24, 2008 20:53:31 GMT -5 by italianbluemooner
I hope you all don't mind if I don't answer the questions but give you only my unordered thoughts.
The ep reveals a lot about how David's growing feelings (like already in "brother..."), and after the final scene I was quite angry with Maddie: what the hell is going on in that head? Blondie, didn't you realize what he just did for you?? Now who stepped on whose aorta?!
But, then again, if it wasn't that way, it would bee boring, woulnd't it? ;D
I rewatched this ep again tonight and really wanted to answer the Qs, but going through the previous comments, I found that I would have answered them exactly the way Blue did... well, except the last one, because I'm not too young to remember all those eighties' dresses...
But I still don't fully understand Maddie's anger - yes, she might have thunk David lost on purpose, but did she really believe he could know what hand "the reptile" had? How could he possibly know?
And all the things she told Agnes in her little speech that were so good about David, why did she say them about him? Because he did what he did, tried to protect her, tried to make her keep her dignity, and I think deep down inside she knew it. Because right in that moment when she told the reptile she'd fold, didn't she exclaim "boy, this feels great!" And I think later she came to acknowledge this (remember her speech in "Wonderful job": "You followed me to Buenos Aires", like that was something she appreciated. Babe, you should have apologized!!
Ok, ready for my inevitable quotable quotes, folks?
D: "Lady, lady, lady - downshift a minute. Are you mad at me?" M: "What makes you think that?" D: "I dunno, but I kinda sensed some anger when I caught up to you in the elevator and you told all the rest of the passengers I had contagious hepatitis!"
D: "I beg to differ." M: "You should beg for mercy!"
D: "D'you mind if I talked some sense into you?" M: "That would be a first!"
D: "Miss DiPesto, what are you doing here?" A: "Standing?"
D: "You remember how great things were before what's-her-name showed up?" A: "Miss Hayes?" D: "I mean, was this a great job or what?" A: "It was!" D: "Good people, good times, a great gig..." A: "Yeah, it was." D: "No deadlines, no arguments, no pressure..." A: "No cases. But it was great!" BANG! Hit you right between the eyes! Oh you ever so sweet sweet never-can-be-fooled-Agnes: "For what's it worth, I miss her too."
D: "Too much blood in your alcohol system?"
M: "I feel like such a fool. You were right, you were right all along!" D: "Don't say that. - Allright, you can say it one more time."
Post by bluemoonshampoo on Jan 1, 2011 12:35:01 GMT -5
Ar, just watched this one with a hangover from New Year's eve - what better way to make it feel better than to watch some old Moonlighting eps?
The role reversal is great in 'Maddie Walks...' and in a way it gives them some indepth understanding of each other's personalities and the way that they tick. For an episode, they, as Italian Blue Mooner puts it, try each other's shoes on. It brings them closer. At the centre of both their motivations is passion - however, that passion is in a different guise. For Maddie, it's revenge on Sawyer and a desire to get her old life back (even though she didn't have any genuine relationships back then- it's fuelled by rage and a loss of what she knew) and for David, it's simply her (sigh).
'Tough all over'? Hmmmm. For David, this is an echo from his Philly days- and a message to Maddie that maybe her previous life wasn't real compared with the rest of the world. He is subtly reinforcing that in a good life, you learn to take the rough with the smooth- and the smooth is then all the sweeter - like him ;-). When she says it- maybe she gets it at last.
I really feel for David in the poker game - it is love! Yes, he's afraid she'll want to get rid of him if she wins, he might not fit into her old life, but no way would he deliberately lose. He also knows exactly what he's doing in this game and Maddie is a total novice (like the real world- oooh a metaphor!) - so maybe she just didn't get that it really could 'have gone either way.' It was major scary for our Dave - if he'd carried on and lost - he's have had to live with that fact, that he helped in her having absolutely nothing left; think he'd even have prefered her to have won and lost her than that losing scenerio. Without folding - they both would have lost. Dave to the rescue! And it sounded like she got it, right? So I agree - totally weird over reaction to the card - unless...as suggested, something else happened?! Of course, it could be anger disguised as 'Oh no I think I'm falling for you David'. She did indeed, almost show him a little of her soul - and who knows where that almost kiss might have led lol - so maybe she's just cross with herself that she's falling for him and that's her way of showing it? Well she is Maddie Hayes after all - and Maddie Hayes is supposed to love her old life, and not this new one with people that she cares about in it, especially him! So - leave him in Buenos Aires and get cross at one's own emotions.
The polka dot dress- ha yes, I always thought that one was a little strange- in fact, think I had a quilt cover once that was very similar lol. With ref to the shoes: she always did wear quite odd shoes but that may have been Cybill who rarely wanted to be out of trainers/sneakers in Moonlighting. Of all the dresses to lend to Agnes ha ha.
Favourite moments: The almost kiss! Also, the scene at the beginning before they see her friend getting ready to jump, it's just so delightfully unrelated to anything! And Bruce Willis in a white tux - oh boy! :-)
Love Sandra's quotes - would also like to add: 'Lots of times, when people are born, their mothers are with them'
I really feel for David in the poker game - it is love! Yes, he's afraid she'll want to get rid of him if she wins, he might not fit into her old life, but no way would he deliberately lose.
Absolutely, bms! And BTW, I don't think Maddie would have returned to her old life had she won her money back - maybe she would have tried, but after a short time would have realized that her decision to keep Blue Moon open had been a one way ticket!
Hope, watching this did make you recover from your New Year's Eve hangover, and hope nobody found you hanging on a hook behind a door!