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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 26, 2011 17:18:59 GMT -5
You may be right BMS! I think both of them were very immature in their approach to intimacy and relationships. Neither one wanted to make the first move..but then when David did she shot him down....always a lose-lose situation!
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Post by bluemoonshampoo on Aug 26, 2011 17:36:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't say immature...they'd both been round the block a few times - they were both so sensitive that they messed up that's all- stuff happens- life happens :-) xxx
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Post by sandra on Aug 27, 2011 8:06:58 GMT -5
Methinks too that immature is not the right term, for neither of them. Inexperienced, in the sense of intensity of feelings, yes. Both weren't sure how to handle it, and both had different ways of approaching it, dealing with it.
David, as always, had that - may I call it that - naïveness, like "we love each other, and the rest will of course work out somehow". He should havo known, of course, that this wouldn't be enough for Maddie.
She, on the other hand, was already her usual step ahead, trying to figure out "how" was that "somehow". In addition to that, her conviction about whether this was really love wasn't as strong as David's. Although it was love, for her too. Plus, I think her biggest problem is she always wants to have control over everything - her life, her feelings. And those emotions I'm sure she experienced for the first time, were just far beyond any chance of controlling them. And that scared the hell outta her.
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Post by mackidockie on Aug 27, 2011 8:51:05 GMT -5
Methinks too that immature is not the right term, for neither of them. Inexperienced, in the sense of intensity of feelings, yes. Both weren't sure how to handle it, and both had different ways of approaching it, dealing with it. David, as always, had that - may I call it that - naïveness, like "we love each other, and the rest will of course work out somehow". He should havo known, of course, that this wouldn't be enough for Maddie. She, on the other hand, was already her usual step ahead, trying to figure out "how" was that "somehow". In addition to that, her conviction about whether this was really love wasn't as strong as David's. Although it was love, for her too. Plus, I think her biggest problem is she always wants to have control over everything - her life, her feelings. And those emotions I'm sure she experienced for the first time, were just far beyond any chance of controlling them. And that scared the hell outta her. Yep, I also think they were surprised by life with this feelings, even more Maddie than David. David had this hero attitude, where always would be all right at the end of the day (or the episode), and sometimes that's not enough. On the other hand, Maddie, the eternal freak controller wanted their relationship to be perfect, when that's hardly possible. But sometimes is hard to analyze Maddie's attitude when IMO Caron's writing of her at the end was crappy.
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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 27, 2011 10:41:58 GMT -5
It just seems that in the scene where Terry is about to give birth and both of them are screaming "I hate You" it seems a little like junior high schoolers to me..just my opinion. I do agree that Maddie was afraid of her feelings for David but in some ways I felt she thought he wasn't good enough for her....again just my opinion..David on the other hand is ready to be the man that Maddie thinks she wants..whatever that may be. I don't know but the writing for Maddie's character from To Heiress Human to the end of the series wasn't very flattering to her character..again just my opinion...I mean who does those things>>> I can understand her running home for awhile to clear her head...but them marrying a man she barely knows (mAddie??? were her feelings for David that terrifying that she could not face him with the hope of making a relationship with him?) and then later after it seemed they may have been on the road to being together...she tells him they are just pals??? What a slap in the face! Come on...Maddie was not thinking straight....then when Annie came along..then she wanted him to pay attention to her....!!!!!!!!!
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Post by sandra on Aug 27, 2011 10:50:22 GMT -5
I don't know but the writing for Maddie's character from To Heiress Human to the end of the series wasn't very flattering to her character..again just my opinion... That's true, and it was so right from Cybill to oppose to that and to fight for "her" Maddie... to bad, that the bad writers "won" in the end... a loss for us all!!
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Post by mackidockie on Aug 27, 2011 11:30:32 GMT -5
I don't know but the writing for Maddie's character from To Heiress Human to the end of the series wasn't very flattering to her character..again just my opinion...I mean who does those things>>> I can understand her running home for awhile to clear her head...but them marrying a man she barely knows The marriage to Walter was a WTH?! moment I will never, ever forget. I remember watching the episode and not believing it. At least Caron had the decency years later to take the blame.
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Post by mackidockie on Aug 27, 2011 11:35:21 GMT -5
That's true, and it was so right from Cybill to oppose to that and to fight for "her" Maddie... to bad, that the bad writers "won" in the end... a loss for us all!! I don't think it was a case of "bad writers". I think it was aaaall Caron's fault. Cybill fought for her character as much as she could, but there's a limit to a woman's opinion in a men's world, and it was worst in the 80s. As Bette Davis said: "If you stand up for yourself and you're a man, they admire you. If you stand up for yourself and you're a woman, they call you a bitch."
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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 27, 2011 11:39:47 GMT -5
Such a shame! Caron just got lazy...there was so much better ways he could have dealt with Cybil's pregnancy and the relationship issue. And the last episode was just a SHAME to a show that was so brilliant in the first three seasons! Maybe the show should have ended with the "To Heiress Human"
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Post by rose35 on Aug 27, 2011 13:29:18 GMT -5
Methinks too that immature is not the right term, for neither of them. Inexperienced, in the sense of intensity of feelings, yes. Both weren't sure how to handle it, and both had different ways of approaching it, dealing with it. David, as always, had that - may I call it that - naïveness, like "we love each other, and the rest will of course work out somehow". He should havo known, of course, that this wouldn't be enough for Maddie. She, on the other hand, was already her usual step ahead, trying to figure out "how" was that "somehow". In addition to that, her conviction about whether this was really love wasn't as strong as David's. Although it was love, for her too. Plus, I think her biggest problem is she always wants to have control over everything - her life, her feelings. And those emotions I'm sure she experienced for the first time, were just far beyond any chance of controlling them. And that scared the hell outta her. Great post! I agree with you on all points! They weren't immature ,just not well experienced with this real all consuming love i think. But David was ready to take that chance & Maddie wasnt.
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Post by rose35 on Aug 27, 2011 13:38:51 GMT -5
It just seems that in the scene where Terry is about to give birth and both of them are screaming "I hate You" it seems a little like junior high schoolers to me..just my opinion. I do agree that Maddie was afraid of her feelings for David but in some ways I felt she thought he wasn't good enough for her....again just my opinion..David on the other hand is ready to be the man that Maddie thinks she wants..whatever that may be. I don't know but the writing for Maddie's character from To Heiress Human to the end of the series wasn't very flattering to her character..again just my opinion...I mean who does those things>>> I can understand her running home for awhile to clear her head...but them marrying a man sh e barely knows (mAddie??? were her feelings for David that terrifying that she could not face him with the hope of making a relationship with him?) and then later after it seemed they may have been on the road to being together...she tells him they are just pals??? What a slap in the face! Come on...Maddie was not thinking straight....then when Annie came along..then she wanted him to pay attention to her....!!!!!!!!! Ye we are all entitled to our own opinions here! I think M&D acted like they have always acted here with each other, nothing new to them screaming & calling each other names, this time of course it was harsher i think due to the love issue that was out there in open ,once it crossed the line these fights became more harsh . It was the only way they new to stay safe & not get hurt but acting this way, don't let guard down hit him or her the only way we know how with yelling. but did it ever work for them?no & these fights ended in what? A KISS! JMO
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Post by rose35 on Aug 27, 2011 14:05:12 GMT -5
just adding my 2cents here finally JMHO ! do i think they are 50/50 to blame? No i hate to say it but i dont . Dont get me wrong i LOVE Maddie & David both , Theres no way anyone can not LOVE them both if you are a fan of the couple no? Do some of us love one more than the other yes i'm a true blue Davids girl! But not because i hate Maddie or think shes a bitch ,which shes not ,i love her & her heart but she had more problems with David & thier "realationship" & things that David may have done or not done is not the reason for Maddie behaving the way she did ,to say she took off for Chicago & the marrying walter stuff becuase of David not doing certain things is not right. She had her own mind & did what she wanted on her own, She never gave David a chance , he tried & yes listened to everything she wanted him to do because he truly loved her! I'm not saying David is perfect either. Maybe he should have been more the way he was in his speech to her about clean slates where he let her have it ,had his say. I know David would have gone to the ends of the earth for her but Maddie wasnt used to that & couldnt accept it. Am i happy about what David did with Rita? Of course not! I understand he felt hurt & left & didnt think Maddie was coming back, she wouldnt take his calls, told him dont call, made him think shed sell her half of agency no David should have not slept with Rita but he so regretted it after!Is there a winner here? No way! They both made mistakes but have great great hearts & both had never experienced a love like this before ! Wish i coud have slapped both of thme around a bit LOL Again JMO
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 27, 2011 14:57:49 GMT -5
I don't know but the writing for Maddie's character from To Heiress Human to the end of the series wasn't very flattering to her character..again just my opinion...I mean who does those things>>> I can understand her running home for awhile to clear her head...but them marrying a man she barely knows The marriage to Walter was a WTH?! moment I will never, ever forget. I remember watching the episode and not believing it. At least Caron had the decency years later to take the blame. I wish we knew why Caron made Maddie marry Walter. I don't think it was just a mistake, happened by accident... I am sure he really had a certain idea, that he tried to fulfill...but apparently didn't manage to do. Just a thought: Maddie loved David and she wanted to come back to him. There were two "buts" though: 1.David was not the father of her baby (as she thought) and 2. she was not sure if he'd like to take her back after everything that happened. I think she didn't want him to be obliged to do something for her, but she was sure he would never leave her, because he was a great guy. And maybe she thought at the moment Walter asked her to marry him - if she said "yes" - it would help to solve the situation. Yes, it would make David sad and mad and would break his and hers hearts, but on the other hand, she'd "save" him from spending his life raising another man's child. Maybe that how she thought. Could be. Just an idea
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Post by sandra on Aug 27, 2011 15:27:41 GMT -5
she had more problems with David & thier "realationship" & things that David may have done or not done is not the reason for Maddie behaving the way she did ,to say she took off for Chicago & the marrying walter stuff becuase of David not doing certain things is not right. She had her own mind & did what she wanted on her own, She never gave Da vdi a chance , he tried & yes listened to everything she wanted becusase he truly loved her! I'm not saying Daivd is perfect either. Maybe he should have been more the way he was in his speech to her about clean slates. I know David would have gone to the ends of the earth for her but Maddie wasnt used to that & couldnt accept it. Yes, that's just what I wanted to express. Exactly. ditto!!!
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Post by sandra on Aug 27, 2011 15:33:52 GMT -5
she was not sure if he'd like to take her back after everything that happened. Hmmm... could be of course, and it's really hard to find a real, understandable reason for that marriage. But if that's really what she thought - I think she should have known him better than that... she should have known that she'd just make him the happiest guy on earth only by saying to him "I'm back."
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