REWATCHING: BETWEEN A YUK AND A HARD PLACE

[diane]

Almost forgot....already told you about the underwear....or lack thereof, but there is another thing different.......

In the original scene....there is no knife. In the car earlier, David is clipping his nails, and that's what he uses to cut the balloon. Guess somebody figured out that was a physical impossibilty, and awkwardly inserted the knife in the former scene.

[1987]

Thanks so much for these script insights. I would love to see more but I appreciate what you have posted thus far. And your thoughts in the aftermath of the loss of the baby are spot on with what mine have been all these years. It's like you jumped in my head and took them out. It had to be a defense mechanism we used to create this addition to the story. That is the only logical explanation for our hero to 'abandon' Maddie at this time. Some brief dialogue in Yuk would have been helpful and I wish we had seen that.

I have also conjured up other additions to their story in order to make sense out of the lack of consistency and transition: primarily the ever-mysterious proposal.

[lin212]

I must be missing something, but I don't remember a scene where Maddie is pulling David's pants down. I also don't have bloopers at the end of this episode. It's another one on my DVD. Am I the only one?

[beesnbears]

Thanks so much for the script input diane! Drinks on me, okay?!?

I still don't buy David abandoning Maddie, though. While I do believe he was working at different times than her in the office for the purpose of avoiding her, I don't think it's all out abandonment.

Yes, he was going to Virginia, probably more so to work out his own issues he was having than to learn surveillance techniques, but I don't see him abandoning her.

That's my coping mechanism again.....

Lin, Maddie pulled David's pants down when he was hanging on to the rope and balloon...revealing his heart boxers!

I wish Kerry Ehrin had written this right up until deadline while hiding in a closet or something. Can't help but think she would have done this ep right.

[lin212]

Jun 30, 2010 14:02:10 GMT -5 beesnbears said:

Lin, Maddie pulled David's pants down when he was hanging on to the rope and balloon...revealing his heart boxers!

Oh yeah. Thanks, bees. I didn't remember that part because I actually fast-forwarded through the whole balloon thing when I re-watched. That scene is a little too silly for me.

[graycav56]

Jun 30, 2010 10:19:24 GMT -5 diane said:

I think it is logical to assume that Maddie's mother and father....or at least mother.....would have come to LA after the loss of the baby. In my thoughts, I can see David running into them at the hospital, but probably not going to Maddie's house when he knows they are there.......probably in David's mind, he was giving Maddie and her parents privacy...but in Maddie's mind, he is not there for her when she needs him most.

Another reason why I love the forum. I had not considered that Alex and/or Virginia would come to console Maddie, but it makes perfect sense, as does David's wanting to give them a wide berth.

As 87 mentioned, a single line in this episode where Maddie would ask David why he didn't come to visit while "mom" was there would have gone a long way to explaining this.

[diane]

Jun 30, 2010 13:37:10 GMT -5 lin212 said:

I must be missing something, but I don't remember a scene where Maddie is pulling David's pants down. I also don't have bloopers at the end of this episode. It's another one on my DVD. Am I the only one?

No Lin, you're not....I don't know where my head was.......whenever I think of this episode, I think of those stupid birds...and the large part they had in the bloopers reel that is to come....sorry!

[diane]

Jun 30, 2010 12:57:24 GMT -5 1987 said:

Thanks so much for these script insights. I would love to see more but I appreciate what you have posted thus far. And your thoughts in the aftermath of the loss of the baby are spot on with what mine have been all these years. It's like you jumped in my head and took them out. It had to be a defense mechanism we used to create this addition to the story. That is the only logical explanation for our hero to 'abandon' Maddie at this time. Some brief dialogue in Yuk would have been helpful and I wish we had seen that.

I have also conjured up other additions to their story in order to make sense out of the lack of consistency and transition: primarily the ever-mysterious proposal.

Well...you know what they say...."mediocre minds think alike". I do know that I used it as a premise in writing fanfic, so I think I really forgot I made it up myself! That's what comes when you get old......

It's good to know we are on the same page.

[goldilocks]

I have just read the script omissions, posted by diane and I just love them! Thanks so much for posting these moments diane! I find the scene with Maddie doing her laundry especially moving and so sad... I mean the way it was originally written in the script. If only David could see all the grief and sorrow Maddie felt at the moment!! Maybe you are right about Maddie's parents being in town, maybe he did want to give her a chance to be with her mother after everything that happened...maybe he thought that her mother was the right person for her at the moment....But it still doesn't justify his attitude. In the car scene he accuses her of being working so hard, he doesn't approve her attempt to forget about the tragedy. That means he knows how she feels, he knows that she is unhappy and he understands why she is working so hard. And even knowing that he wants to leave her, he abandons her !!!God, I just wish they could talk in the elevator. I love them singing, but TALKING would be great!

[beesnbears]

Jun 30, 2010 13:37:10 GMT -5 lin212 said:

I must be missing something, but I don't remember a scene where Maddie is pulling David's pants down. I also don't have bloopers at the end of this episode. It's another one on my DVD. Am I the only one?

Didn't you get the memo way back when? They have an extra special special in the special DVD the rest of us have!!

LOL!! Just kidding!

[beesnbears]

Jun 30, 2010 16:06:06 GMT -5 diane said:

Jun 30, 2010 12:57:24 GMT -5 1987 said:

Thanks so much for these script insights. I would love to see more but I appreciate what you have posted thus far. And your thoughts in the aftermath of the loss of the baby are spot on with what mine have been all these years. It's like you jumped in my head and took them out. It had to be a defense mechanism we used to create this addition to the story. That is the only logical explanation for our hero to 'abandon' Maddie at this time. Some brief dialogue in Yuk would have been helpful and I wish we had seen that.

I have also conjured up other additions to their story in order to make sense out of the lack of consistency and transition: primarily the ever-mysterious proposal.

Well...you know what they say...."mediocre minds think alike". I do know that I used it as a premise in writing fanfic, so I think I really forgot I made it up myself! That's what comes when you get old......

It's good to know we are on the same page.

I like the idea of Virginia spending a few days with Maddie, too. One line from somebody....anybody....even Bert would shed a little light on David's tiptoeing around the office.

On that note, I love the scene where he comes in and Maddie's sees him for what seems to be the first time since losing the baby. Her eyes sparkle, obviously glad to see him, and he has trouble maintaining eye contact, as if he wants to be near her but isn't so sure she really wants him around. Or just seeing her makes his anguish so much more real.

Also like how Agnes retrieves Bert so they can be alone. It's here and the denial discussion that convinces me that David has really been worried about her but has barely been able to function himself and isn't real sure how to help her.

This one is so darned frustrating!!

[iluvdavid]

Just re-watched this episode/ Did anyone else notice what song David was whistling as he was walking to the elevator? Wasn't it "You Must Have Been a Beautiful Baby?" The same song that was playing when he broke the speakers.
I think there should have been some kind of dialogue in the elevator. In a fanfic I read Maddie asks David where he's been..and I really can't see David not trying to coax Maddie out of her misery even when he is falling apart himself. His avoidance just seems selfish and cold; two things David never is.(except with Annie) JMO

[diane]

After your comments , ILD...I didn't rewatch the episode (it's too damned gloomy here today without that!). But I did reread this thread.

Grey mentioned something...a couple of times, that I always think of, but seem to forget to say....about this being the second baby he had lost.

David's choice to continue his commitment to Maddie, in spite of the fact she was carrying someone else's child was huge. (although I am not sure that in his heart of hearts, he really had any choice at all....that is just the man he is).

So in spite of the fact that he never learned it was his child, he "adopted" the child in his heart. And when the baby was lost, it had to be horrid for him...and this was the second time he had experienced such a tragedy.

I think he had just had enough......especially in the last year...that had totally beaten him down, and I think it is understandable that he needed to take some time to feel sorry for himself as well as Maddie, and to regroup.

Emotionally the two of them had been completely through the wringer, and neither could see his/her way out of the sorrow to let the other one in.

So I guess, as much as I dislike most of this episode, we've gotta be grateful to Agnes and Magillicuddy and their fix-it skills.

[iluvdavid]

I suppose you are right about David being beaten down. He had taken a lot during that past year. Just a sad season in sooo many ways..back to seasons 2 and 3!

[beesnbears]

I will go to my grave believing David really was working on the Anselmo case out of the office....for the most part....it was convenient for him to play the avoidance game with Maddie while he worked his way through his anguish, yet still trying to help Maddie take care of Blue Moon.

Just me.