Wow! Diane, Ifm touched by your comment. You are so right. David was always very sensitive to Maddiefs feelings, he must have sensed her unhappy. Since I got crushed by that story, I've spent a long time trying to figure out why that disaster occurred. gWhenever they tried to think like the other, disaster was sure to ensue.h This made me realize gno need to look for the reason from David and Maddieh. Ifll go ahead and have a peace and enjoy re-watching from The Pilot. Thank you so much for letting us know your insightful thoughts.
Oh wow Diane you are so lucky to have all those scripts! To bad you havent found them all. I only have one script that wassent to me by a friend. It's for Lady In The Iron Mask. i wish i had a few more, especially my fave episode IACM
And yes M/D were like pod people for the end of season 5. It 's still so sad to me to think about.
Post by suzyparker on Jul 23, 2010 14:55:12 GMT -5
I just watched the entire run of the series the past week or so for the first time since they originally aired -- it's funny, I had no recollection whatsoever of anything in seasons 4/5, not even the presence of Annie (although perhaps that's why I inexplicably dislike Virginia Madsen)...either I never saw them, or more likely, blocked them out.
I do think that the arc was meant to bring M&D back together, perhaps in a more tender way than before. I thought that in moments of solitude, M looked REALLY melancholy and disappointed. I also wondered if her trying to warn Annie off David (and, after all, she doesn't say anything worse about him than she ever has right to his face), was her way of saying "hands off." Maybe.
I wanted to post (steal) something I read on Television Without Pity's ML forum - about the last 3 Annie episodes. I am totally stealing this and will probably end up in cyber jail somewhere but it's just so well written and is exactly what I want to interpret from the Annie mess. We all know that so many episodes were loosely based on books, movies, etc. If this person's 'Persuasion' theory is spot on (which I think it is) then we may have to actually give credit to the writers of WGC and EKN rather than demonizing them. I will however demonize and wish phantom shooting pains to the person who decided to end LE the way they did. This post just made me feel a lot better.....20 years later.
TWoP post begins here:
I'm editing to add to this, because I read this:
"David actually fell in love, during the last few episodes, with Maddie's cousin Annie [played by Virginia Madsen] who was fleeing an unhappy marriage, but pretended he didn't love her in order to reunite her with her husband when he realized the husband was a decent guy who did love his wife."
And I went and watched those three episodes out of some kind of horrible curiosity - and I have to say, I had the opposite reaction to them that pretty much everyone else seems to have. Because as a Jane Austen-reading English major, I watched it and I thought, "Aha! I recognize this! This is the first half of Persuasion!" The quiet melancholy of Maddie's side of the story, the way that she's still clearly in love with David and he seems indifferent to her, her haggard, old appearance, next to young, beautiful Annie, the way that the show establishes Annie's principal characteristic to be her impulsiveness, while Maddie hesitates and takes too long to decide things - that's all Captain Wentworth seeming to choose Louisa Musgrove and not even look at poor, sad, haggard Anne Elliot. But Captain Wentworth isn't really indifferent to Anne, he's just angry at her, and Louisa turns out to be too impulsive, as demonstrated when she's too precipitate in jumping off the Cobb at Lyme. And Captain Wentworth starts to realize that he's gotten himself into something he doesn't really want as a way of getting back at Anne, and now he has to get out of it. All of which we see happening in these episodes. It becomes clearer and clearer that Maddie is being incredibly decent and forbearing about all this, and that David's anger at her goes much too deep for his indifference to be real. And we see that Annie is, in fact, too precipitate, that she's screwing up her husband's life, and we see David realizing that he himself is not in this for the long haul. Annie's husband is willing to accept his wife leaving him, as long as it's for someone who will commit to her. It's David who suggests that the guy might just be in this for a laugh, and when the husband says that in that case the guy better not string her along, David contrives the shower scene.
I can see why some people interpret Maddie's tired, haggard, old appearance in those episodes as some kind of manifestation of the directors not liking Cybill, but I think it's for a completely different reason. I think the point of these episodes is first to make it clear to Maddie that she's not satisfied being friends with David, no matter what she tells her therapist, and second to make us feel sorry for Maddie, so that we'll root for her again. Her younger, prettier cousin shows up and steals her man - of course we're supposed to feel bad for her. And we're supposed to feel that she's dug herself into so deep a hole that there's no way out of it, because that just makes the payoff better when we realize the hole isn't so deep as all that. The darkest hour is just before the second half of Persuasion. Unfortunately, that was exactly the point at which the show got canceled. But I for one am really glad we got those episodes, because it confirms to me that the David/Maddie relationship wasn't dead, that they were going somewhere with it, even if they never got there. And I love that ending from Eine Kleine Nacht Murder, of Maddie postponing her date with her cop/bodyguard, checking into her hotel room, and saying, "No, it's just me." No self-pity, no wish that she'd taken Donaghan up on his dinner offer after all - a little bit of quiet melancholy, sure, but mostly she's just owning her lack of impulsiveness, her tendency to wait and think, because it's who she is.
This post has been edited by Nausikaa: May 9, 2010 @ 2:16 am.
If this Nausikaa person is lurking on this site, I just have to say 'thank you'. He/She has some other great posts on the TWoP forum as well.
So gather the kids, the dog, Grandma... and lock them in another room
Thanks bees! My feelings were hurt no one responded . Not that I can take credit but it made me feel a smidge better that someone out there had an intellectual idea of where that craziness was going. Of course I am grasping for anything that will make me feel better about An@$?e situation. Thanks again. (I probably put this post in the wrong place and feel sure I will be told that if I did.)
So gather the kids, the dog, Grandma... and lock them in another room
Didn't go out with a bang. Didn't even go out with a whimper. Just woke up one morning and the fever'd broke
OMG This would have been the worst line of the entire series if it had been left in the show; worse even than pals and pacts. To me it means he feel nothing towards her anymore..not sexually attracted at all...not good! lol
Agree... it doesn't even sound cold, it just sounds indifferent, which is worse by far IMO. And another example for bad writing: the least thing I'd associate with either of those characters is "indifferent".
Interesting to read your thoughts about Maddie looking haggard. I agree she does compared to Annie but I didn't particularly think of it being deliberate, after all Cybill had 3 young children and was working long hours, no wonder she looked tired.
I did always think it a bit odd to cast someone so much younger as Annie, if Maddie and Annie were supposed to be so close. I have cousins much older than me and we're not close as the age gap is too much.
But then lots of things about season 5 are odd ....