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Post by Marlena on Jun 11, 2021 14:20:53 GMT -5
Things have been crazy busy for me lately with my daughter about to graduate high school, but when I have a moment I've been reading. I think I'm up to Chapter 4. Sometimes I find myself just staring at the cover, and I just feel so thankful for the show and for everyone who made the show. And, I'm so thrilled to be reading this wonderful book that tells us things about the show that we never knew before. I have a lot of people in my life that think it's strange to be so obsessed with a TV show. But I don't care what they say because this show has brought me so much happiness in my life.
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Post by sandra on Jun 11, 2021 14:48:54 GMT -5
Let them have their opinions, Marlena. We all have our quirks. Some people build little trains at the back of their house. Others are obsessed with cars. Right now, the European Championship for soccer is happening here. My husband will be glued to the tv almost every night for the next month or so and my entire street has turned orange, because that's the color of our country and our team. The grocery store is selling orange capes to wear and what not. Soccer is a huge thing in Europe; all the men (and some women, just not me) go nuts about it and that is just fine. Just like it's fine that Moonlighting is our distraction. We all need our things in life.
Judy, I'm at a stage right now where I almost want to beg my daughter to go to sleep, because she's such a little energizer bunny! Seriously, she has more energy than I do. I want to finish that book!
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 11, 2021 22:30:46 GMT -5
Marlena, my family thinks it's kind of crazy that I am so obsessed too. But my husband has his own obsessions with movies so he understands. We all need an escape from reality sometimes.
Sandra, I understand. My older daughter always had trouble going to bed. She still has trouble falling asleep, but now she'll stay in bed and read instead of getting up and running around like she used to. Now its really hard to get her up in the morning. Hopefully bedtime will get easier for you in a few years.
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 14, 2021 4:38:01 GMT -5
I finished the book and would love to discuss. Where should we start? We heard a lot more about the bad behavior, Cybill being to blame for most of it. Would have loved to hear about some of the fun times on the set...the "love" part of the 'Love/hate" relationship they had, but I guess it's easier to remember the crazy times, the annoying times, the times people behaved badly.
Also, as for her contribution to the book, Cybill never seems to remember much, can't give much insight...she always talks about the same stuff. "They fought before fight scenes..." type of thing.
Wish Bruce contributed because he seemed to remember everything and more while doing the commentary tracks for the DVDS...
I was reading about the "All Creatures..." episode and it seemed at this point all hell was breaking loose behind the scenes, Cybill not showing up for work, etc. ...and then I watched the episode and it was so great, and they seemed so natural and funny together and both looked so beautiful...hard to reconcile it with the turmoil...
Anyway, would love to hear people's thoughts. With all the drama behind the scenes...it seems we were lucky to get any Moonlighting at all!
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 14, 2021 7:35:58 GMT -5
I finished the book and would love to discuss. Where should we start? We heard a lot more about the bad behavior, Cybill being to blame for most of it. Would have loved to hear about some of the fun times on the set...the "love" part of the 'Love/hate" relationship they had, but I guess it's easier to remember the crazy times, the annoying times, the times people behaved badly. Also, as for her contribution to the book, Cybill never seems to remember much, can't give much insight...she always talks about the same stuff. "They fought before fight scenes..." type of thing. Wish Bruce contributed because he seemed to remember everything and more while doing the commentary tracks for the DVDS... I was reading about the "All Creatures..." episode and it seemed at this point all hell was breaking loose behind the scenes, Cybill not showing up for work, etc. ...and then I watched the episode and it was so great, and they seemed so natural and funny together and both looked so beautiful...hard to reconcile it with the turmoil... Anyway, would love to hear people's thoughts. With all the drama behind the scenes...it seems we were lucky to get any Moonlighting at all! I totally agree with you. It did seem like Cybill was blamed for pretty much all the bad stuff that happened. Bruce looked like a saint. Maybe that was the truth, I don't know, but it made me sad to think that she might have ruined it for everyone. Even at the end of the book it said that a performer wouldn't say their lines in the last episode, but it didn't say who. It is inferred that it was Bruce, but why not say who it was? No one seemed to mind naming Cybill as the difficult one in the rest of the book. I also would have liked to hear more about any fun times they had making the show. And Bruce's contribution to the book would have been nice. You are also right when you said that Cybill didn't really add anything new with her quotes. And she never really defended herself, so maybe it was all true?
I did notice there was a lot written about three episodes that Bruce had a huge part in, Knowing Her, The Son also Rises and Big Man on Mulberry Street. But there wasn't much written about Cybill's big episode, EDFIAV. I don't know if that means anything, but again I felt like Bruce got more attention than Cybill. I don't know why I keep defending her, but I guess I want to believe she wasn't as bad as people say she was. It does seem like we were lucky to get any Moonlighting at all.
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Post by sandra on Jun 14, 2021 8:33:22 GMT -5
I haven't finished the book yet, but Cybill getting the blame a lot of the time isn't a surprise to me. With every interview I ever saw, I felt like she took the most heat. And yes, while I'm sure that she was no saint and exuded some high maintenance here and there, I hardly think that she was the only one at fault here. Cybill not defending herself tells me that she owns her part in the backstage mess and I salute her for it. I saw Scott's interview from a few days ago (with the Arby's curly fries explanation... too funny!) and I agree that it might have been all the pressure to bring something to the table that got to the three of them. You say things and you do things that you might regret later on. But in the heat of the moment, things can get ugly.
As for Cybill not remembering some stuff... it could be that she is just getting older. My grandfather told me a lot of the same stories when I was younger. It was slightly annoying when I was a teen, but I get it what it was all about now.
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 14, 2021 8:34:00 GMT -5
Yes, FanofMoonlighting, it is true, the book concentrated more on the episodes that were focused on David, and EDFIAV is one of the best and Cybill is great in it. Cybill seemed difficult, but I think it's fair to defend her or at least understand that she was not new to Hollywood at this point, she had a young daughter at home and I'm sure wanted to get off the set and home at a decent hour most nights...and if things are running behind because the pages aren't there / production doesn't know what is happening next, that would be annoying and easy to get fed up with quickly and draw a line in the sand, which is what she did.
Yeah, Bruce was new, this was his big break, he was eager to be there and take it all on. He was single with no kids, getting tons of attention. Easy to be the good guy in that situation. Cybill was up against a boys club, etc. And I think GGC's recent removal from BULL shows that she probably wasn't always treated all that well by him.
As for better times...we can see from some of their acceptances speeches, BTS of awards shows...kissing each other (!! Who gets that from their favorite TV couple!!?? - only us!! lol) the note BW wrote to CS, and flirty interviews that it wasn't all hate and bitterness. Hell, even in S5 they're holding hands, touching each other, sitting close...and what about all the laughter in the outtakes? There is more there...I won't believe it was all hell. At the end, yeah, I get it...they wanted to move on and do other things and the network held them to the contract...we all knew the show was dead. That part would have been painful...the rest looked like a lot of hard work, but a lot of fun and good times too...
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 14, 2021 8:54:26 GMT -5
I agree again with what you are saying ilovewillis. I wonder if maybe she had trouble working under such tight deadlines. Getting the scripts the day of shooting may have been difficult for her and stressed her out. I know I would have been stressed about that. Maybe the working conditions were not what she was used to with other jobs she had. And Glenn and Bruce admit that they became good friends, so maybe she felt left out and that no one was listening to her. Seems like there may have been more trouble between her and Glenn than her and Bruce. I always wonder when I see them kissing at an award show or goofing around in the bloopers, how much of that is real or acting? The book didn't talk much about Season 5, which disappointed me since I wanted to know was it really that bad during that last year? And there wasn't really anything said about the Annie story and I wanted to know who came up with that and why. And why did the unnamed person not want to say their lines in the last episode?
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 14, 2021 9:48:55 GMT -5
Yes, agree with what you had to say above about Cyb / stressed / boys club. The bloopers look genuine to me, they seem in the moment. They are just outtakes, so there would be no reason for them to pretend. The awards show stuff is probably a bit phony baloney as Hollywood tends to be...but, they did say some really nice things about each other that they didn't HAVE to say, you know? EDIT: n one speech Bruce was saying that he couldn't have gotten to that point without Cybill's help and support. IDK, maybe just wishful thinking, but it comes off as genuine...there's at least a kernel of truth there, if he just left her stranded every day, why would she say it? Now...you're right, good point, would love to know who came up with the Annie BS...I think someone very uncreative trying to turn the Mark Harmon storyline around...this time on Maddie...didn't work as she was a family member, etc. Just spiteful and mean. ugh! As for the finale, it's been said before that Bruce did not want to say "I love you" and neither of them wanted to kiss. So, that's at least part of what they're talking about I believe. But yeah, they proudly threw Cybill's name out there when it came to bad behavior so why not Bruce? Also, remember the crew video from the last day that shows Bruce walking onto the set the very last day of shooting and telling everyone who worked on ML all these years to "Blow me" Seemed like an egotistical ass to me!
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 14, 2021 10:09:25 GMT -5
What video is that? I don't remember seeing that!
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 14, 2021 10:27:00 GMT -5
What video is that? I don't remember seeing that! The video went around a few years ago, it was on Youtube, but don't see it now. I have a copy of it somewhere. It's video crew shot of the last day of filming and they talk to everyone...it's over an hour long. Cybill says she feels like she's being let out of prison and Bruce tells everyone to "Blow me" - real classy...I can see why Alyce and others were disappointed with them in the end.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 14, 2021 10:30:26 GMT -5
Oh wow! I just got reacquainted with the show this year after not watching it since it ended. So I missed a lot of things in the past 30 years. I'd love to see that video. Was there anything good in it?
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 14, 2021 10:37:02 GMT -5
It is fun to see the cast and crew talk about their memories and say goodbye...it is cool. But, of course we all watch to see Cybill and Bruce and those are their two scenes, which are sad and terrible. Cybill is kind of sitting alone in it, you never see them together...
Oh! Also, When they go to talk to Bruce they give him Cybill's name card and he kisses it and says something like Oh yes, "I love it, I love it..." very sarcastically and tosses it aside...(they also give Cybill, Bruce's name card, so maybe they were trying to get them to say something about the other?) / anyway, then BW says his crass line...and that's about it...I mean, it's worth a watch, you see production working in the back offices, etc.
Have you listened to the commentary tracks from the episodes that were from the DVDs? That has the best inside info about the show IMO
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 14, 2021 10:47:31 GMT -5
Sounds like an interesting video but also depressing. Strange how they seemed to be having fun in the bloopers from that season and then at the end they aren't even sitting together and talking to each other? I have watched some of the episodes with commentary. Fortunately I bought the DVD's when they were first released even though I didn't really watch them at the time. Now they are hard to find. The last one I watched was ATTTM and it was kind of sad. Bruce and Glenn didn't seem to like that episode or what was happening with the show. They even seemed like they didn't think David should have told everyone that he loved Maddie and I liked that part of the show. It sounded like they aren't very romantic people. Bruce even said David and Maddie should have just broken up and gone their separate ways instead of trying to fix things and become closer. But I did find it interesting that Bruce seemed to really like the episode I See England... I liked that one too. Also, I don't understand why Cybill didn't get to do the commentary on the Pilot. That was a missed opportunity. I have 2 versions of the Pilot with different commentary and she isn't on either of them.
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 14, 2021 10:47:56 GMT -5
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