Johanna
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Stranger who? Stranger me? They don't get any stranger...
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Post by Johanna on Jun 23, 2006 15:44:02 GMT -5
Rate this episode!
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Post by babyhayes on Jun 24, 2006 1:34:34 GMT -5
I really really like this episode, so I have voted 9. Just realised that I have been a little generous as I think the ending is a big kick in the guts. BUT, I love Maddie's "new" David dreams (milk moustache!) followed by the wonderful Body Heat scene. I also believe the chemistry is well and truly sparking and buzzing as Maddie returns to the office to see David for the first time in months. (But the end.....shakes head sadly)
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Post by lin212 on Sept 13, 2006 15:14:02 GMT -5
I really like this episode even though I hate the part when Maddie tells David she is married and the baby is not his. One thing really frustrates me - Maddie makes a point of saying that she is just under 5 months pregnant and David makes it clear that she has been gone 4.5 months. Also, David and Maddie had been together 1 month prior to her departure. Therefore, one could conclude that the baby had to be David's. Why do the writers give us such specific detail on the timing and then not have David question it - do the math, so to speak? Grrrrrrrrr.
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Post by haddie mayes on Sept 14, 2006 12:13:15 GMT -5
Exactly! But then i suppose David wasn`t in the outer office when Maddie announced how far along she was, so never heard it.Again maybe it`s a subtle hint to the viewers only as to the identity of the father. ( But having said that) I mean it obviously wasn`t a secret seeing as that she told all of the emloyees so surely David would have heard it through the grape vine at some point. I know men can sometimes be a bit `in the dark ` when it comes to this sort of thing but given the close proximity of the dates even David should have spotted this and questioned Maddie`s deduction.
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Post by Hazel on Sept 14, 2006 19:09:37 GMT -5
I always suspected that David knew the real deal, even if Maddie couldn't quite get to it herself. She had her own demons she was wrestling with, and clarity was not her strong suit in matters of the heart.
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Post by haddie mayes on Sept 15, 2006 17:39:40 GMT -5
Yeah your`e probably right
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Post by Veronica on Dec 29, 2006 13:05:54 GMT -5
I absolutely LOVE Body Heat dream sequence! I can watch it over and over again...
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graycav56
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Post by graycav56 on Jan 25, 2007 10:08:20 GMT -5
I watched the show again last night for the first time in about 20 years. I have to agree that it was a pretty good one that held promise...at least for the first 45 minutes or so. The Pat Boone and Body Heat scenes were inspired and perfectly integrated. At this point I didn't even despise Walter Bishop, yet anyway. For me, the last scene was where the show jumped the shark. After all this buildup to have Maddie come home only to announce her marriage led me to the same exact conclusion as David. She had gone nuts. I know Cybill hated this story line, but could not convince the producers of the error of their ways. Unfortunate. I never watched the show with the same intensity or conviction after this episode. Seeing it again after all these years brought the melancholy right back. Now were did I hide my Season 2 DVDs? ?
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Post by maddieaddisonjr on Apr 14, 2007 22:00:17 GMT -5
Oh. My. Gosh. I gave this a 6 only for David's neck and cheek kiss right before the shark got jumped and his 'you're nuts!' reaction afterwards. If it weren't for these two parts, it would certainly have rated lower than the Blue Mooners episode in my opinion. The Body Heat sequence helped - a little. I didn't like anything else. Maddie marries a stranger during a train ride and also drops the other bomb that the baby isn't David's. When he asks quite reasonably about Sam, she says Sam is none of his business. Then she expects David to 'say something nice' and not get mad. Y' know, it almost doesn't matter what happens next at this point. So I'm letting go because obviously a logical plot is not a priority anymore.
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felix
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Post by felix on Apr 15, 2007 1:20:06 GMT -5
I agree completely. Maddie's behaviour was just so...wrong. I doubt anyone's patience would be sorely tested by her in real liife.
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Post by maddieaddisonjr on Apr 16, 2007 23:58:12 GMT -5
During the reunion scene I had some hope. It was so sweet. They were nervous with each other. David, after all he'd been through emotionally in Maddie's absence, was so happy that she was back. You could see that clearly in every cautious word and gesture. If she hadn't married Bishop and even if the baby was Sam's, I could tell by the way David was kissing her that they could have made it in spite of Maddie's words and behavior that season. It would have made the whole of season 4 okay if the show had been about a true romantic and permanent reunion between them. But nooooo. Look, I get it that she would want to put the breaks on their relationship just enough to see where they're going and be able to steer in the right direction. But she unreasonably cut David completely out of her life as if he had nothing to do with their issues, as if he didn't have a right to some contact with her. Personally, I think he did have a right because of everything they'd been through and done together. David and Maddie had been falling in love with one another by degrees since the beginning of the show. It wasn't just the sexual tension the media likes to harp on. If that's all it was and they had no future together because they were so different (which seemed to become Maddie's mantra from "Heiress" onward), then that would wear thin within one season. I wouldn't care so much about what happened to them. To have Maddie stay away from David for 4 months and then to have her marry a stranger to use as yet another shield against David have to be the most ridiculous plot devices I've ever witnessed in my life. The most. And not to sound like a conspiracy nut but I have to wonder if someone actually had it in for Cybill Shepherd to write Maddie that way or even wanted to ruin the show. The shift in her character and the denial of the love that had been growing more and more self-evident to her from season to season are just not logical in this story. Maddie and David together, and not rejecting or hurting one another, is the reason we watch this show. (And I think I can safely presume the 'we'). If Cybill's pregnancy was the problem then I wish the money-driven studio just simply halted production until she could continue. Who knows what season 4 might of been if someone had the clout, the vision and the guts to do this.
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Post by lin212 on Apr 17, 2007 6:56:12 GMT -5
I agree totally, maddie jr. After all, this was not real life and the writers could have done anything with the plot line. Glenn apparently pushed for the Walter marriage and I too often wonder if it was an attempt to make everyone hate Maddie. David and Maddie as a couple even with a baby could have been very funny and entertaining. It also didn't have to mean an end to the sexual tension between them. The possibilities are endless!
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bluemooner
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Moonlighting strangers who just met on the way
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Post by bluemooner on Apr 17, 2007 12:17:40 GMT -5
David and Maddie had been falling in love with one another by degrees since the beginning of the show. It wasn't just the sexual tension the media likes to harp on. If that's all it was and they had no future together because they were so different (which seemed to become Maddie's mantra from "Heiress" onward), then that would wear thin within one season. I wouldn't care so much about what happened to them. Maddie and David together, and not rejecting or hurting one another, is the reason we watch this show. (And I think I can safely presume the 'we'). quote] I so agree...maddie and david had a deep relationship...they were best friend's and were always there for one another. maddie even admits she and david were meant to be together in It's a Wonderful Job. they were so much more than sexual tension. This was a great romance. I guess some people (members of my family anyway) see them as just two characters bickering constantly. My brother actually told me that i have no romance in my soul. He must not have seen the same Moonlighting I have. It's one of the most romantic shows ever. Maddie & David belong together. to quote david in trip to the moon, "i don't get any better than when i'm with you." well put, mr. addison.
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Post by davnee on Jun 16, 2007 20:39:34 GMT -5
This one would be a 10 except for the horrific ending. Instead I will give it an 8. The New David dream is fantastic, and I can totally believe Maddie's fear of changing David. To me that shows that she truly loves David, but that she still can't figure out how to change herself enough to meet him halfway in a marriage and life together. And the Body Heat sequence is a great way to see them back together on screen. Very yummy. I even like Walter Bishop as a sounding board for Maddie on the train.
But oh that cruel ending. What makes it even crueler is how intensely wonderful the chemistry is between them when Maddie comes back to the office. The looks they give each other upon first sight are amazing. You know it isn't even so much that she married Walter that kills me. I could almost believe she would do it if she really believed Sam was the father and didn't want to "ruin" David for a child that wasn't even his. I could have accepted it as a misguided sacrifice on her part. But I can never believe that she would be so cruelly indifferent to David's shock about her marriage or so selfishly determined to see his pain over her choice to marry. It's all just so wrong.
And I really believe that Walter was the jump the shark moment. The show danced at the edge of the shark tank from the moment they slept together, but there were extenuating circumstances to a lot of the show's problems. But Walter was an unnecessary insult to the injury that the fans had suffered. Cybill was back to work. There just was no excuse.
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Post by maddieaddisonjr on Dec 13, 2007 13:18:00 GMT -5
Just watched this again and I would give this an 8 instead of the 6 I originally voted because I like: ~ train rides ~I thought 'Pat Boone David' and Maddie's disappointment with him was funny this time around. ~hearing Maddie's inner turmoil verbalized and shown in her nightmare. ~The Body Heat scene was quite, um, rewarding. ;D ~Agnes and Bert in small doses are always a delight ~David and Maddie's first scene together since the season opener was absolutely wonderful... until he realized she was serious when she said she was married - or just seriously trying to make him believe it. Then it got uglier when she said the baby wasn't his. Then he put his sarcastic shield up and she expected him to say something nice. However, his laugh and the mocking 'Congratulations' amused me. ~Oh yeah, and I actually like Walter. I don't like him married to our madcap Maddie but he's nice. My real problems in this episode are: ~Instead of assuming what David would be like after 4 and a half months, Maddie should have waited to see for herself. He was neither like Boone nor what I call 'extreme Dave.' Also, I think for a woman like Maddie four months gave her enough time to decide what to do in different scenarios: i.e., possibly a changed David, possibly the baby being Sam's, how she wanted to raise the baby at least in the beginning, what to do with the agency, etc. I can accept her long-term confusion and even avoidance - not ideal but I get it. What I don't get is her making decisions on frightened impulse at this point. ~As mentioned above, what’s going on with the date of the pregnancy? If Maddie said she’s just under 5 months along and David makes clear that she’s been gone for 4 and a half, then there is no way that Maddie can’t know that David is the father. It’s just impossible. That means that she’s lying and I just don’t think that was the intention in the script. I can’t be sure but how could the writers slip up with this one? Did none of the actors notice and say hey this is a blooper? Also, in light of Maddie’s behavior from David’s point of view, why would he believe her anyway? I'm wondering if one of the JTS moments was fans being led to believe that David was not the father of Maddie’s baby - before the revelation of A Womb With A View. Now they can’t even have cute baby banter; we just have more angst. I mean in a romantic dramedy it’s a real downer for the heroine to be pregnant by someone else besides the hero. That’s worse than her marrying someone else. Sure, that can lead to the loyal ‘I’ll stand by you and the baby anyway’ scene but it just can’t regain any of the happy-go-luckiness of the first 3 seasons that the David-is-Daddy scenario could. I'd like to add that Cybill looked very good for a new Mom of twins under the stress of working on a show like Moonlighting.
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