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Post by sandra on Jun 23, 2021 12:42:19 GMT -5
Let's see. My favorite Moonlighting episode is 'Maddie's Turn To Cry.' This is the one episode that had it all; a real case, a silly chase and the most perfect kiss in Moonlighting history... *swoon*. I believe it was NJJ who said that he wished that Moonlighting had ended right at that point where Maddie mentions that "The sun is up" and David answers "I did what I could. I couldn't stop it, though." There would have been no big bang, but then there also wouldn't have been a gutwrenching season 4 and 5. It would have ended with just the two of them, enjoying each other's company.
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Post by Marlena on Jun 24, 2021 11:30:09 GMT -5
As hard as I try, I just can't pick one favorite. As soon as I think I've narrowed it down, I'm like, oh but then there's that one that I love, too. Sometimes I think about those episodes that I would never consider to be favorites, but then I think about how each one has at the very least that one special scene....
Like for example, Atlas Belched. This one would never make my Top 10, but that scene when David surprises Maddie on her staircase, and she says she wants to work for him. So sweet.
Another example, An Inkling of Murder. Also not in my Top 10, but I love the scene where it's late afternoon, Maddie and David are in his office completely relaxed and happy that they just solved the case at SRT Industries. David tells Maddie not to get cocky because, 'I've seen you in your underwear.' Maddie tells David, 'You're not bad fella, not bad at all.' They both look great here, so sexy.
Even in Season 5, The Color of Maddie. Again, not anywhere near Top 10, but how 'bout that scene when David follows Maddie out of her office at the end of the workday. David says, 'So what's it gonna be tonight? Diet delight out of a plastic bag? A little Chardonnay? Candlelit bubble bath for one? A little late news, and then off to dreamland all by yourself.' That look on David's face...he is trying so hard here to get back with the woman he loves. He's even already made dinner reservations for them. I was so mad at Maddie for answering that stupid phone call. In most of Season 5, I did not feel the heat between these two, but in this scene, I felt it.
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Post by quest1743 on Jun 25, 2021 7:04:19 GMT -5
Still reading book. From what I’ve learned about production so far, it is amazing the episodes turned out so well. Definitely was chaotic behind the scenes.
As for CS & BW, I still don’t know what caused the friction between them. What would have driven them to stay in their trailers? They seemed to get along great early on and then their relationship went off the rails.
They both come across as difficult to work with in the later series. Swelled heads? Exhaustion? Only they know.
I can only imagine what the show would have been like without all the drama.
So sad.
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 25, 2021 10:18:16 GMT -5
Let's see. My favorite Moonlighting episode is 'Maddie's Turn To Cry.' This is the one episode that had it all; a real case, a silly chase and the most perfect kiss in Moonlighting history... *swoon*. I believe it was NJJ who said that he wished that Moonlighting had ended right at that point where Maddie mentions that "The sun is up" and David answers "I did what I could. I couldn't stop it, though." There would have been no big bang, but then there also wouldn't have been a gutwrenching season 4 and 5. It would have ended with just the two of them, enjoying each other's company. Yes, I agree with you, I love MTTC, best episode inside the best story arc starting with BOB through to the big bang. MTTC does have it all, I don't know if I'd want it to end there...we gotta have the big bang, my only wish for that is that the stars weren't injured / pregnant so we could have REALLY seen them get down...instead of a lot of it being doubles. I wonder what that would have looked like... Hmmm...the mind reels.
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 25, 2021 10:36:34 GMT -5
As hard as I try, I just can't pick one favorite. As soon as I think I've narrowed it down, I'm like, oh but then there's that one that I love, too. Sometimes I think about those episodes that I would never consider to be favorites, but then I think about how each one has at the very least that one special scene.... Like for example, Atlas Belched. This one would never make my Top 10, but that scene when David surprises Maddie on her staircase, and she says she wants to work for him. So sweet. Another example, An Inkling of Murder. Also not in my Top 10, but I love the scene where it's late afternoon, Maddie and David are in his office completely relaxed and happy that they just solved the case at SRT Industries. David tells Maddie not to get cocky because, 'I've seen you in your underwear.' Maddie tells David, 'You're not bad fella, not bad at all.' They both look great here, so sexy. Even in Season 5, The Color of Maddie. Again, not anywhere near Top 10, but how 'bout that scene when David follows Maddie out of her office at the end of the workday. David says, 'So what's it gonna be tonight? Diet delight out of a plastic bag? A little Chardonnay? Candlelit bubble bath for one? A little late news, and then off to dreamland all by yourself.' That look on David's face...he is trying so hard here to get back with the woman he loves. He's even already made dinner reservations for them. I was so mad at Maddie for answering that stupid phone call. In most of Season 5, I did not feel the heat between these two, but in this scene, I felt it. True, David was making a lot of effort to show Maddie he's knows her "orchestra to balcony" and take her out, but she didn't seem that interested! Then they had the ladder analogy, were they sleeping together at this point? On a break? Trying to get back together? So unclear.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 25, 2021 15:06:18 GMT -5
Quest, I still don't really understand what happened between them. I guess it was just working long hours together and maybe big egos? It is really amazing that we got the episodes that we did get, especially in Season 5 when things were supposedly really bad.. I still want to know the reason for the Annie storyline. What was the purpose of it?? I wonder if they had acted differently and had easier personalities would they still have had the same chemistry?
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 25, 2021 15:10:14 GMT -5
..we gotta have the big bang, my only wish for that is that the stars weren't injured / pregnant so we could have REALLY seen them get down...instead of a lot of it being doubles. I wonder what that would have looked like...
Hmmm...the mind reels.[/quote]
I only found out recently about the body doubles. Now I try really hard to forget about that when watching that episode. At least the closeups are them! I just wished we had gotten at least one more nice love scene once both actors were back and in good shape.
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Post by quest1743 on Jun 25, 2021 17:00:51 GMT -5
According to CVS, she and BW almost had sex on a reclining chair early in the series at her house. He put the brakes on.
Perhaps she felt rejected. That may have been beginning of bad blood between them.
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 25, 2021 20:12:56 GMT -5
According to CVS, she and BW almost had sex on a reclining chair early in the series at her house. He put the brakes on. Perhaps she felt rejected. That may have been beginning of bad blood between them. Yes, I want to know exactly when in the life of the series this hookup took place...during S1? S2? My prediction is around DREAM...any thoughts?
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Post by quest1743 on Jun 26, 2021 6:48:52 GMT -5
I just lost my post because a dumb ad popped up. Ugh!
If CS & BW had a close encounter of the sexual kind in S2, I think it might have left a bad taste in their mouths (as it didn’t appear to go well) but i doubt it left the two actors hating one another or was the root of a 30 year feud between them. There were too many off camera videos where they seem to be enjoying each other’s company and the book, which I have finally finished, paints a picture of their getting along on some days and avoiding each other like the plague others. There had to be more than a failed hookup responsible for the love/hate relationship that CS admits they had in interviews long after Moonlighting was over.
Whatever caused the rift between them, I’m happy they finally did bury the hatchet and seem to get along great now. That makes me want a reunion even more.
As for the demise of one of my all-time favorite tv shows, I do not believe it was caused by M &D consummating their relationship. That had to happen. The audience demanded it and had waited long enough. It would have been nice if it actually was CS and BW giving us that great scene instead of body doubles, but I learned in book that her pregnancy and his broken collar bone made that impossible. If I didn’t read it, I woulld never have known, so I still consider it was M & D doing the deed. We did get the closeups, at least.
In any event, I think that episode was great and there could have been many more to follow if the show runner and lead actors had not sabotaged the show, whether they did so intentionally or not.
GCC made a huge mistake having M marry Walter. Fans had been waiting longer than D for M’s return and the couple they fell in love with to reunite. What did we get? Stabbed in the back. M should not have ever married anyone but D, if she was to marry at all. That was the first nail in coffin. Not surprisingly, the fans that still hung on were livid and let TPTB know how they felt about the plot. That is why W didn’t last long. Originally, he was meant to stick around through S 4 and 5. Can you believe it?
The second blow was M’s losing baby after WWAV finally confirmed the baby was D’s. How much did fans have to watch this character, who was beloved, endure? Making a miscarriage, which really would have been M delivering a stillborn, a musical number was just sick in my view and apparently many others. CS said in book that it would have been lovely to end the show with M and D having their baby and being happy. I couldn’t agree with her more.
Once the marriage and miscarriage took place, there was little left to like about Moonlighting. That is why fans tuned out.
Yes, the writers strike, CS pregnancy, BW becoming a movie star after filming Die Hard, GCG getting booted as showrunner by ABC at CS request (She was holding up production even more than usual after twins born and GCC had had it) did contribute to the show’s demise, but I truly believe IF whoever was writing the episodes had given the fans what they wanted, instead of doing everything in their power to kill M & D’s relationship (D sleeping with M’s cousin was another horror story), Moonlighting would have lived to see another day.
Last but not least, I think BW was selfish to refuse to read the last scene as written. Would it have had a false ring to it considering what had led to that final moment? Likely. But at least fans would have felt there was still hope for M & D despite the damage done.
I think what killed Moonlighting was what made it such a huge success - the writing and actors. The three powerhouses went on to have successful careers. The fans suffered loss of a great diversion from real life.
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Post by quest1743 on Jun 26, 2021 7:48:04 GMT -5
Still thinking about this. I’m essed. Lol.
I thought of an analogy to make my point.
The “die hard” (pun intended) fans that stuck with Moonlighting until the eclipse were like Maddie and David. We were reluctant to tune in because we had been hurt in the past but we couldn’t stop doing it because we wanted to feel the euphoria again and there was a chance we would.
We, like M & D, took the risk and suffered the consequence of heartbreak.
Now, 36 years later, we are still missing that euphoria and wondering what might have been.
Does this make sense.
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Post by fanofmoonlighting on Jun 26, 2021 17:29:37 GMT -5
Quest, you have said exactly what I've been feeling since rediscovering this show. Sometimes I almost wish I hadn't. Its weird that I feel so strongly about how the show ended, it is just a show with fictional characters.. After reading everything about it I feel like everyone behaved badly. But I really wanted to know more about what happened in Season 5. I expected more information from the book. Sometimes it seemed like they were heading back together and then they got torn apart again with the last 3 episodes and no one seems to want to explain why. Did they all really think that's how the viewers wanted the show and relationship to end? Did you read Cybill's book? She tried to get Bruce on her show twice and he wouldn't do it. So it seems like he was done with her at that point but she was trying to make amends. I wish Bruce would talk about what he thinks happened since we really only get Cybill's point of view all the time. The more I think about this and try to figure it out the more upset I get. So I'll just go watch a nice happy episode now.
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Post by quest1743 on Jun 26, 2021 19:07:16 GMT -5
I couldn’t agree with you more. There was hardly anything in the book about Series 5, except that I learned GGC was still writing behind the scenes. Apparently CS had No problem with that. She just didn’t want him on the stage.
I have to wonder if she was suffering postpartum depression after giving birth to twins and that was the reason she was so difficult to work with
I can’t imagine taking care of two babies and having to memorize those lengthy scripts. I have no idea how she did it.
Now I’m wondering if GGC was responsible for WGC, perhaps to get back at CS for getting him booted.
Was there anybody thinking of the fans at all? It really is sickening.
You have BW refusing to say his lines, CS refusing to come out of her trailer for hours, and GGC allowing the love story he created to go up in smoke.
What a damn shame!
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Post by quest1743 on Jun 26, 2021 19:27:23 GMT -5
The scene in FKL comes to mind, where David tells Maddie‘s father that he asked her to marry him, that he loves her so much that he would give his life for her. This after Maddie left him hanging for months and his not knowing if the baby was his. The next screen that pops into my head is when Maddie told David at the hospital that she loved him and was sorry. Soon after that, he was penciling in hours on his calendar to take her to the Lamaze class, dinner and chatting afterwards. Then he said it would be an honor to take her and the baby down to the parking lot.
So what the hell happened to have him sleeping with her cousin and her jumping for joy in a therapist’s office that she didn’t love David anymore?
There is no logic to any of this. It is no surprise the audience became disgusted and the show was canceled.
Whoever was writing series 5 wrote it as though nothing transpired between Maddie and David before. They were never in love, didn’t lose their child before it was born, and weren’t on the road to reconciliation before Maddie lost the baby. In ATFWMW, David said he would put the past behind him and kissed Maddie. Then everything went downhill. Why would it?
I wish someone would’ve answered these questions in the book.
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Post by ilovewilliscirca88 on Jun 27, 2021 11:37:00 GMT -5
I think this was their lame attempt to "reset" things and just have them go back to solving cases and having a "will they or won't they" relationship. Which was never going to work because of all the history they had. Like I said, just a lame attempt to "put things back like they were before" - I think the "Annie" episodes were also a failed attempt at turning the tables on Maddie...like the mirror image of Sam coming into her life and there being a third wheel. But, of course it was all icky because it's her family member and M&D were just hurting each other, which no one ever wanted to see. S5 was just a shit show in many way...the writing was all over the place and the audience was left hurt and confused.
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