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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 27, 2011 15:57:19 GMT -5
I don't think she was thinking of David's feelings when she married Walter. I think she was using that poor guy as sort of shield to protect her against David and their relationship. Since she was now a married woman she couldn't be tempted by David....
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 27, 2011 17:49:20 GMT -5
I don't think she was thinking of David's feelings when she married Walter. I think she was using that poor guy as sort of shield to protect her against David and their relationship. Since she was now a married woman she couldn't be tempted by David.... Maddie was using Walter? Hmmm... but that would mean she was a calculating sort of person. I can't agree with it. JMO of course.
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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 27, 2011 17:53:05 GMT -5
Do you think she was in love with him?? Maybe she didn't do it intentionally but what else could have been her reason for marrying him? Maddie was a strong woman and I don't think she was afraid to bring up a child by herself...Why do you think she married Walter, Goldilocks? I really want to know your ideas! I like to see things from all perspectives.
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 27, 2011 18:07:16 GMT -5
Do you think she was in love with him?? Maybe she didn't do it intentionally but what else could have been her reason for marrying him? Maddie was a strong woman and I don't think she was afraid to bring up a child by herself...Why do you think she married Walter, Goldilocks? I really want to know your ideas! I like to see things from all perspectives. I wish I knew why she married him. I think it is the mystery we never solve. I can only guess why. As I said maybe she was not sure David would take her back, she even didn't know if he was still single. I mean they didn't talk all that time. And even he still wanted her, she was afraid it was because of the baby. She knew he had a heart of gold and would stay with her even if he was not the father. She didn't want it to be the only reason for him to be with her. There is also that dream she had with a "perfect" copy of David - she was afraid that he could change, she didn't want it. And another thing: she was kinda ashamed maybe to come back pregnant without a husband. So she had all those thoughts in her head - enough to make her crazy. No wonder she lost her mind at some moment and ... married Walter. To answer your question if she was in love with Walter. Of course she was not, I think she liked talking to him, maybe she even found him nice. But she didn't love him. I always wonder how could he marry her? I mean didn't he see her confusion? After everything she told to him... why on Earth he decided to marry her?
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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 27, 2011 19:57:02 GMT -5
He married her because she was a beautiful blonde bombshell and he was Walter! I agree with your analysis..wish we can ask Caron though what he was THINKING!
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Post by mackidockie on Aug 27, 2011 20:03:53 GMT -5
He married her because she was a beautiful blonde bombshell and he was Walter! I agree with your analysis..wish we can ask Caron though what he was THINKING! I always thought it was Caron's revenge to Cybill for complaining about everything. Not that she wasn't right in many of her complaints, though.
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Post by rose35 on Aug 27, 2011 21:40:44 GMT -5
I don't know but the writing for Maddie's character from To Heiress Human to the end of the series wasn't very flattering to her character..again just my opinion... That's true, and it was so right from Cybill to oppose to that and to fight for "her" Maddie... to bad, that the bad writers "won" in the end... a loss for us all!! Agree with you on this Sandra!
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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 28, 2011 9:02:37 GMT -5
Caron was crazy if he did that...ruined his own show!
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Post by diane on Aug 28, 2011 9:14:38 GMT -5
I truly agree that the marriage to Walter was a marriage of convenience. But I don't believe that Maddie was calculating when she entered into the marriage.
Maddie was at the end of her rope. She had let her heart put her back on that train, but as she got closer to LA, she got more and more scared...for so many of the reasons you all have pointed out.
She needed to feel safe, and protect herself and her baby -- or in Maddiespeak, she needed to be in control. Her relationship with David was the area of her life in which she felt the least in control, due to the depths of the love she had for him. She knew that he could make her do things that she didn't want to do...but even more importantly, she knew she could force him into doing things that he shouldn't. She didn't want him to change, and she didn't see them as your run of the mill everyday couple with a baby. So she convinced herself that marrying Walter would be the best thing for her...and also for David, once he got used to the idea. Was it a selfless idea?.....not really, but maybe, in her confusion, Maddie saw it that way.
Should she have known better? Absolutely. But if we start cataloguing the list of mistakes made by each one of them, I have a feeling the list would be pretty much the same length.
Thanks everybody, for hyping up some of these topics, and especially to the newbies, who bring some new perspective to our discussions. You are going to learn a ton of stuff, especially if you keep an open mind!
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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 28, 2011 9:22:59 GMT -5
My mind is open!
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Post by witness on Aug 29, 2011 0:15:54 GMT -5
Maybe the show should have ended with the "To Heiress Human" I've enjoyed reading everyone's perspectives on this thread. I take issue, however, with this suggestion. How could the series end on two rolls in the hay, one roll down a hill? We needed to see this relationship taken to the next level. It was a complicated, powerful love between these two, and even knowing what we know and seeing what we've seen, i.e. Season 4, we still needed it. Especially moments like what's being discussed in this thread. David gave it to Maddie good in his speech, and she tearfully took in every word. Then, by the end of the episode, we got a glimpse of a more promising future. As long as he was sure he got through to her, as long as Maddie showed David her heart, he was willing to wipe their slate clean...on many occasions ("I'm sorry, partner." "You're forgiven, partner.")
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Post by sandra on Aug 29, 2011 3:28:25 GMT -5
As long as he was sure he got through to her, as long as Maddie showed David her heart, he was willing to wipe their slate clean...on many occasions ("I'm sorry, partner." "You're forgiven, partner.") That's so true, thanks for reminding us, witness! Yes, he was always open ho her - as long as she showed her heart. I'm also thinking of It is a wonderful job or The man who cried wife, her wonderful wordless apology when she showed up at the client's house in the middle of the night, and David's equally wordless acceptance of that apology.
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Post by diane on Aug 29, 2011 8:13:42 GMT -5
Maybe the show should have ended with the "To Heiress Human" I've enjoyed reading everyone's perspectives on this thread. I take issue, however, with this suggestion. How could the series end on two rolls in the hay, one roll down a hill? We needed to see this relationship taken to the next level. It was a complicated, powerful love between these two, and even knowing what we know and seeing what we've seen, i.e. Season 4, we still needed it. Especially moments like what's being discussed in this thread. David gave it to Maddie good in his speech, and she tearfully took in every word. Then, by the end of the episode, we got a glimpse of a more promising future. As long as he was sure he got through to her, as long as Maddie showed David her heart, he was willing to wipe their slate clean...on many occasions ("I'm sorry, partner." "You're forgiven, partner.") Amazing point, Witness.....so true. And as we have often said before, yes, there is pain in season 4, but also some amazing moments and performances that I woulnd't have missed for the world!
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Post by iluvdavid on Aug 29, 2011 13:43:40 GMT -5
True, season 4 did have some excellent David-Maddie moments and gave us hope for their future. I wish the writers would have ended the series on the same note.
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Post by mackidockie on Aug 29, 2011 20:09:13 GMT -5
I've enjoyed reading everyone's perspectives on this thread. I take issue, however, with this suggestion. How could the series end on two rolls in the hay, one roll down a hill? We needed to see this relationship taken to the next level. It was a complicated, powerful love between these two, and even knowing what we know and seeing what we've seen, i.e. Season 4, we still needed it. Especially moments like what's being discussed in this thread. David gave it to Maddie good in his speech, and she tearfully took in every word. Then, by the end of the episode, we got a glimpse of a more promising future. As long as he was sure he got through to her, as long as Maddie showed David her heart, he was willing to wipe their slate clean...on many occasions ("I'm sorry, partner." "You're forgiven, partner.") Amazing point, Witness.....so true. And as we have often said before, yes, there is pain in season 4, but also some amazing moments and performances that I woulnd't have missed for the world! I may be in the minority here, but I absolutely adore and treasure those painful moments between them. They made them what they were: two complicated creatures crazy in love, but afraid of what the future holds. I "enjoyed" those moments almost as much as their happy times. Of course I'd treasure and adore them more if we had a proper ending in Season 5, but things became crazy at that time and no matter how terrific Bruce and Cybill were, it was all out of control and destined to end badly.
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